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  • You know about Lotus? Well, you notice that not much info is revealed about her. I mean, think about it, we do not know the true intentions of Lotus. For all we know, Lotus could be a Corpus double agent or....... Lotus could be working for a faction of rogue Tenno that EXPLOIT their warframes to gain dominance. 

    Feel free to add your theories.....

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    • Honestly, the most likely senario is that she is in fact, an AI. An AI that has monitored the state of the area and waited for the appropriate time to fulfill her duty. Her Duty being the future of the Tenno. The Grineer are the faction in the area where you start, not the Corpus. The Grineer are there specifically to ensure control against a Tenno uprising. (that's actual game lore from the beginning of the game :P) The Tenno went into stasis a long time ago for reasons I am unclear about. It would only be logical that they, with their advanced technology, would set up an AI to guide and ensure the safety and future of the Tenno. These other Factions seek to destroy the Tenno each for different reasons and the Lotus is simply following her programming, eliminating hostilities and setting up political standings (Politics are proven by Councilor Vey Hek mission). No tyranny, no evil, survival programming. Lotus is establishing a place for the Tenno amongst many evils. The Grineer are simply conquest obsessed, Corpus see the Tenno as an incursion of profit, Infested seek to consume the Tenno and make them infested as well, since that is simply what the infested are; infested Corpus, Grineer, and other such things.

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    • lotus isn't a person it isan organization please remeber that. also remeber that to prove my theory there are missions where you have to rescue a civilian who is where a lotus uniform. these could be scientists or intel officers that are a part of the lotus organization.

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    • No, Lutos is a person.being. She might control an organization, but that only further make sense that she's AI running through brilliant programming.

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    • But what of Stalker? We know as much about him as we do about Lotus: Not a lot. For all we know, Stalker could be working for (or leading) a faction of rogue Tenno with Lotus as a double agent, perhaps?

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    • I completed a mission not too long ago, and Lotus said that the board would be pleased, indicating that she is NOT in fact the head of her organization. Given this piece of information, there are probably many Lotus' working with the various Tenno.

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    • tell the truth i recon the stalker is hayden tenno from dark sector and u agree the female character who guides you thrrough missions is simply a intelligence officer.

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    • Intelligence officer? For what, precisely?

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    • intelligience officer. explaining and ebriefing you on the mission, what you have to do, wether you have incoming enemies or if no sensors have picked you up...that kind of intelligence officer....as far as i knew there was only ONE kind of intelligence officer

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    • Or maybe she is a sixth faction (Tenno, Grineer, Corpus, Infested, Stalker being the first 5) who wants to abuse the Warframe technology. Isn't it just too convenient for the Tenno to lose their memories after being released from stasis? If their technology was that advanced, shouldn't the Tenno be able to prevent amnesia?

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    • you forgot the orokin guys......they are the sixth

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    • What if Lotus' intentions are evil? I mean you gonna quit the game?  Who cares.. Gameplay rocks...

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    • Okay, so maybe she is a part of the Sentiens (or whatever their name was) or an eight faction

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    • there was this one intel thing released during the fusion moa weekend, where it was a corpus message that mentioned the lotus being a trator or something to them. but idk, i mean, she did basically say that memory loss is nothing in the beginning.

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    • and what if the sentients come into the game, i think that would give us more info on lotus herself, she semmed to know stuff about them.

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    • there are a lot of conspiracy theories going aroundthat he lotus's intentions are evil. so i wouldn't be suprised nor stop playing. would be nice to know who these sentientsare for starters...or are you talking about the corrupted, the evil things in the orokin realm

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    • I'm thinking that the Lotus is an organization of humans, that the Orokins fought long ago, the Orokins infected some of the humans with technocyte, those that survived it became Tenno, and those that did not became the Infested.

      As for the Stalker it is being controlled by something similar to how the Orokins control the Grineer, Corpus, and Infested inside their ships in the Void, with those golden headplate things, only the Stalker has a red one, though it could be the sentients that the Orokin were fighting and the very thing they were fighting is controlling the Stalker.

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    • Since killing each boss is said to bring peace and stability across the universe, it could be that the Sentients wanted that chaos between all the factions making them easier to eliminate when the time is right, they send the Stalker after the Tenno that keeps assassinating the bosses that bring chaos, because they are necessary for their plans to take over the galaxy completely, easily wiping out the Grineer, the Corpus, and they will probably have a harder time fighting the Infested since they were designed to kill Sentients.

      Note how the Infested can drain shields and energy, uses bio attacks, come in large numbers with minions that self destruct to kill you, they can also heal one another.

      I can already see the Sentients as beings with powerful technology and they were large in numbers but they are vulnerable to infection and bio attacks.

      Then the Tenno could have been the Sentients, and the J3-Golem was an infested human that didn't convert into a Tenno.

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    • if theally is related to dark sector. which it almost 100% is then the tenno are pur huans with special training and powered up suits. they aen' physically augmented. unless you classify their suits being an actual part of them and enhencing there strength poviding shields and all the other basics. other wise they are non augmented humans. thir suits are just a part of them.

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    • Mind If I join?

      Likely that the Lotus(organizaation) is a like a company that creates warframes and all, but about the lotus (person)'s intention, i have a theory. It is a slight chance/probability that she is partly evil, being in before that prior to U7 the Stalker was using Braton Vandal, which is Lotus signed, it means that maybe the stalker is the Lotus's minion, not an evil one probably trying to challenge tenno(which is likely to be human, though) to be strong, either with or without an evil intention.

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    • So you mean something like a Rival? but normally 'evil' people will not put their brand logo on something people can see....

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    • I never said I wanted to stop playing Warframe. If I did, it would be plain and obvious.

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    • maybe the stalker is actually with the tenno sort of a mentor to make sure they become more powerful i mean i dont think hes evil for the fact that everyone fights him. maybe hes ageless and is the only tenno who hasn't lost his memories...maybe hes the first that was sucessful

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    • Or maybe he is a Tenno consumed by Dread, Despair and Hate (if you get what I mean)

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    • mayby the stalker considering the romour hes a rouge tenno is actually an original tenno who didnt go into cryosleep and is trying to stop these new tenno because they are following the lotus who may be evil and might be their enermy or somenoe else who wanted to destroy everything, why would they have lost their memory if their so advanced? it semms logical to me that this could be the case.

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    • I already asked about the 'advanced technology' causing amnesia but didn't get a reply, but I agree

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    • There is a lot of mystery surrounding Stalker and Lotus. "You cannot know anything, only suspect." And I suspect that The Grinneer are just trying to stop Lotus gaining control of the galaxy, just to protect the Tenno from exploitation, The Corpus are trying to learn more about the Warframes (Because Lotus could have set the Warframes to block any recurring memories of the past).

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    • Except that it's stated that the Grineer hate the Tenno, and the Corpus are only interested in the profits they can get from the warframes and old Orokin tech.

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    • 75.129.91.104 wrote:
      Except that it's stated that the Grineer hate the Tenno, and the Corpus are only interested in the profits they can get from the warframes and old Orokin tech.


      agreed these too are facts and not theories. we know that these are deffinent

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    • everyone should know the tenno are just terrorists. look at what they do: just go in to mining camps and blow shit up, help inmates escape from prison, murder political officials. Guys in warframe WE are the bad guys.

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    • ^+1

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    • Maybe it's like Just Cause 2. Blow up places "for the people"

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    • During Defense missions the Cryopods state "ancient Orokin artifacts" which implies that the Tenno are actually the Orokin, Orokin soldiers or infested that turned out well.

      Also from what's said in-game it sounds like the Lotus is some kind of powerful organization dating back to the Orokin era and the woman talking to you is just the person/AI that relays orders to the Tenno.

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    • lotus is so fit, though.

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    • You are so sad, by saying that. If any of you want to talk about who's fit or not, take that kind of crap to another thread.

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    • my theory is that the tenno are some kind of Orokin soldiers. They were preserved in cryopods becuase the Orokin could not control the Technocyte virus and it was attcking them too. The wiki does say under Tenno that they are "the sole bearers of the Orokin-created Warframes.". The courpus call the Loutus a trator and the Grineer sometimes say death to the Loutus. So the Loutus was possibly a AI technology that they dicovered and both the Courpus and Grineer used Then they discovered the tenno and it triggered the Loutus somehow to help them. My thoughts on the stalker is that he was a leader or genral of the Orokin and was not put into cryosleep so he could continue to lead. His warframe kept him alive but he realized that the warframes could not continue to exist for some reason so he made it his job to destoy them

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    • I find 2 problems with your valid arguement:

      1. it's Lotus not Loutus (sorry, just had to point that out)

      2. If the Stalker wanted to destroy the Warframes when he realised that they couldn't continue living, why would he be avenging the bosses? Wouldn't he just state who he is and why he is doing it? This should make the Tennos listen to him more, even if he calls for their death.

      So my theory is: The Lotus is an organisation which is compromised between turncoat Corpus and Grineers, they had found the Waframes but disagreed with the leader's ideas so they left and created the Lotus organisation, using the Warframes as soldiers to balance out the power scale, as for the 'Lotus' AI, I support the theory of it being the representative of the Lotus organisation

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    • my theory for those of you that have played the game dark sector. is that the stalker is in reality hayden tenno form the same game.and we are the other strands of genetically modified super soldiers that where the "bad guys" (or at least until the end of the game). during the games events hayden wheres the armour of the excalibur warframe . but with a modified helmet(hello stalker whered modified helmet also) and is tracking down and killing the people who modified him with a virus that goes un named it think( possibly a controled version of technocyte virus i don't think they mentioned it) half way through we murder/ fight a female warframe similar to the ember warframe who  happens to be his girlfriendacting on behalf of what could be the very early stages of the lotus orgonization. in the end he goes mad afterfinding out he killed his gf and blames it on the rest of the tenno.

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    • on top of that his gf might not have died and may be the "lotus" reffered to in warframe. she might be the "tratior" talked about in the corpus message as she originaly was loyal to the early grineers and corpus (main enemys from darksector). but ended up working for a thrid hidden group in the end. so maybe she survived and is now the leader of the "lotus" orgonization.

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    • After reading the wiki page for darksector and watching some videos. (I hadn't know about this game untill now) your ideas sound much more likely. I am a lore addict in games so I hope more is reavealed 

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    • thx. love both of these games. and lucky for me they are both related.

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    • Finally looked up this Hayden Tenno bloke. I THINK I know where the Warframes came from; Technocyte Virus: That was where Hayden Tenno got his powers, the Warframes also amplified and prevented the Technocyte Virus from gaining absolute control over the host. The Infested were just Tenno who were infected with the Technocyte Virus that didn't get to their Warframes in time. Hayden Tenno would never have turned against his own descendants, if anything; The Stalker would have hated what Tenno did. Besides, Lotus could well be the descendant of Robert Menzer, Tenno's arch nemesis, and she could be working secretly to take out the Grineer and the Corpus. She could even be working with Stalker on her plot to end the Tenno.

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    • If it's no trouble, I would like to add my two cents.  So.  At the end of some missions, "Lotus" says, '"Nice work Tenno, the Lotus will be pleased"'.  This indicates that she is not in herself alone "Lotus", but rather a construct or AI, as mentioned earlier.  This leads me to believe that "Lotus" is an organiztion of some kind, also as put forth in earlier comments, and that the Lotus we interact with is merely a liason between the Tenno and this organization.  As for the Tenno, they were put in cryo-stasis for some reason by the Orokin.  Which is interesting, because if the Orokin can have such absolute control over the minions on the Towers in the Void, why were they unable to control the Technocyte infested? Why didn't they go into cryo?  Why are the Orokin 'gone'?  I agree with the earlier comments saying it is suspicious when "Lotus" says in the beginning that is doesn't matter that you lost your memory, only that you are Tenno.  This hints at a coldness commonly associated an easily replaceable tool.  So, what if this "Lotus" organization is simply using the Tenno for their Warframes, because the Tenno are the only ones able to use them.  Perhaps the Tenno were the elite guard of the Orokin, and that is the reason they are the sole bearers of the Warframe tech.  Another note, the Tenno appear to be genderless, as they can don armor with distinctly male and/or female features seemingly at will.  I have to go out to dinner now.  and will continue this later...  Bye all.

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      I found this thing on Venus, the Vesper mission. Fell down a hole. Looks pretty Orokin to me, and also looks like the Corpus were digging it up.

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    • Achyron wrote:
      If it's no trouble, I would like to add my two cents.  So.  At the end of some missions, "Lotus" says, '"Nice work Tenno, the Lotus will be pleased"'.  This indicates that she is not in herself alone "Lotus", but rather a construct or AI, as mentioned earlier.  This leads me to believe that "Lotus" is an organiztion of some kind, also as put forth in earlier comments, and that the Lotus we interact with is merely a liason between the Tenno and this organization.  As for the Tenno, they were put in cryo-stasis for some reason by the Orokin.  Which is interesting, because if the Orokin can have such absolute control over the minions on the Towers in the Void, why were they unable to control the Technocyte infested? Why didn't they go into cryo?  Why are the Orokin 'gone'?  I agree with the earlier comments saying it is suspicious when "Lotus" says in the beginning that is doesn't matter that you lost your memory, only that you are Tenno.  This hints at a coldness commonly associated an easily replaceable tool.  So, what if this "Lotus" organization is simply using the Tenno for their Warframes, because the Tenno are the only ones able to use them.  Perhaps the Tenno were the elite guard of the Orokin, and that is the reason they are the sole bearers of the Warframe tech.  Another note, the Tenno appear to be genderless, as they can don armor with distinctly male and/or female features seemingly at will.  I have to go out to dinner now.  and will continue this later...  Bye all.

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      I found this thing on Venus, the Vesper mission. Fell down a hole. Looks pretty Orokin to me, and also looks like the Corpus were digging it up.

      firstly we have confirmed the lotus is an organization seriously people we need to stop repeating this we all agree with it.

      secondly don't see how that proves that the female guiding us is an AI or construct if it is an organization then chances are they have intelligence officers or someting similar constantly relaying information to and from tenno in the feild. we don't know that we don't all have a different person guiding use due to the fact we can only see her mouth.....

      thirdly we need 5to stop seeing the tenno as a wearer of a suit. the are people and the suit is a part of them. as said by the contributor tenno are infected with the technoycyte virus (a.k.a the T-virus) and that is how they recieve their suits and powers.To prove this theory lets look at the infected we have, leapers, bombers,crawlers and ancients. now we know they are all corpus but what makes them different from each other? could it be that something similar allows the tenno to keep control of their warframes rather than sucumb to the T-virus? could it be that the reason that the tenno where locked away was because they where becoming to powerful and actualy learning to control and comunicate with the other infected forms? to prove that the infected and tenno are the same lets look at the j-3 golem boss. when he is defeated he says why do you kill us we are your flesh(or something like that) proving that both tenno and the infected are both influenced by the t-virus.

      last could it be that the samething that changes corpus from being the same type of infected be the same thing that causes different tenno to become and control different warframes?


      also nice find will be sure to check it outand havea look

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      firstly we have confirmed the lotus is an organization seriously people we need to stop repeating this we all agree with it.

      secondly don't see how that proves that the female guiding us is an AI or construct if it is an organization then chances are they have intelligence officers or someting similar constantly relaying information to and from tenno in the feild. we don't know that we don't all have a different person guiding use due to the fact we can only see her mouth.....

      thirdly we need 5to stop seeing the tenno as a wearer of a suit. the are people and the suit is a part of them. as said by the contributor tenno are infected with the technoycyte virus (a.k.a the T-virus) and that is how they recieve their suits and powers.To prove this theory lets look at the infected we have, leapers, bombers,crawlers and ancients. now we know they are all corpus but what makes them different from each other? could it be that something similar allows the tenno to keep control of their warframes rather than sucumb to the T-virus? could it be that the reason that the tenno where locked away was because they where becoming to powerful and actualy learning to control and comunicate with the other infected forms? to prove that the infected and tenno are the same lets look at the j-3 golem boss. when he is defeated he says why do you kill us we are your flesh(or something like that) proving that both tenno and the infected are both influenced by the t-virus.

      last could it be that the samething that changes corpus from being the same type of infected be the same thing that causes different tenno to become and control different warframes?


      also nice find will be sure to check it outand havea look

      Good point.  1) i'll add you in-game and take you to this orokin thing if you want.  2) the lore says the warframes were created by the orokin.  so the idea i have based on the other things here is the orokin used the t-virus to created the warframes/tenno(which would make the tenno infected), but, as you said, Caboose 19997, learned to communicate with other infected life forms.  this bothered the orokin, so they locked the tenno in cryo.  many years later, this Lotus organization is waking tenno and sending them on missions throughout the system.  3)  if you could add your thooughts to this i would appreciate it, i genuinely don't want this turning into a pissing contest, and if i start one, let me know.

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    • I think that an option is being overlooked here. The Orokin Empire (humans) once spanned the galaxy, and even into the void. It was a decadent empire, as indicated by the opulence of the void towers. The technocyte plague came and changed everything. The corporations took to using almost entirely robots, or encased themselves in rudimentary cybernetic suits to try to protect themselves (the corpus). A splinter faction turned to cloning as their means of survival, and eventually even overran earth by pure numbers (the grineer, as confirmed by lore). A small high-powered group (Lotus) tried to turn the technocyte plague to their benefit, and ended up creating the highly experimental Warframes, a cybernetic fusion that vastly increased the power of those using them. This obviously had to happen fairly late in the war, or even after it, as evidenced by the fact that you mow through Grineer by the thousands, and if the Lotus had frames in any significant numbers they wouldn't have lost the war. If this happened after the war ended, it would explain the Tenno (a designation for the experimental group, named after Hayden?) being put into cryosleep. The war was lost, and the Lotus needed to stay silent and marshal their resources before attempting any sort of counter-offensive.

      The Lotus (and by extension the Tenno) are the only remnants of the Orokin, as evidenced by the fact that their newly constructed clan towers are almost identical to the old orokin tower design, if significantly more spartan. They are trying to reclaim their old territory, not only by combating the other factions and destabilizing the area, but specifically by clearing out Orokin Towers in the void, rendering them able to be inhabited (extermination missions anyone?). The Towers are obviously worth having, because they have a demonstrated ability to convert not only Grineer and Corpus with their internal defenses, but also the Infested. Additionally, they seem to be able to cease the spread of the T-plague internally. Though there are numerous infected in the Towers, we never see the infestation spreading.

      As for the Stalker, there are so many options i'm not even going to speculate.

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    • for starters he orokin empire wasnot around when the humans where developing the technocyte plague as they where two seperate incidents. the humans themselves created th plague as shown in dark sector and the result of injecting it into one human hayden tenno the mai character of the game waqs the creation ofthe excalibur suit. however there where other instances where the user completely lost anyrecolection of their humanity and became the nfected. the orokin must have turned up later in the peice due to the fact that they did not appear in dark sector at all. or had been around but did not reveale themselves until after he games events.

      also achyron my in game nameis caboose19997. it'd be great to hang out and i don't see this as a pissing contest more like a freindly debate.

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    • Remeber guys, this is all speculations and conspiracy theories (more or less I guess) , don't get all fired up trying to prove someone wrong cause you are 'right'

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    • I love how the devs did this. Super shadowy , patchy lore and then the community comes and tries to figure out the holes.  It's a really nice change to games where the lore is clearly defined, with no room for debate. 

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    • lol the least lore in a game i have ever played, but it feels like it has more lore than star wars or lord of the rings

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      lol the least lore in a game i have ever played, but it feels like it has more lore than star wars or lord of the rings

      Agreed.

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    • Achyron wrote:
      If it's no trouble, I would like to add my two cents.  So.  At the end of some missions, "Lotus" says, '"Nice work Tenno, the Lotus will be pleased"'.  This indicates that she is not in herself alone "Lotus", but rather a construct or AI, as mentioned earlier.  This leads me to believe that "Lotus" is an organiztion of some kind, also as put forth in earlier comments, and that the Lotus we interact with is merely a liason between the Tenno and this organization.  As for the Tenno, they were put in cryo-stasis for some reason by the Orokin.  Which is interesting, because if the Orokin can have such absolute control over the minions on the Towers in the Void, why were they unable to control the Technocyte infested? Why didn't they go into cryo?  Why are the Orokin 'gone'?  I agree with the earlier comments saying it is suspicious when "Lotus" says in the beginning that is doesn't matter that you lost your memory, only that you are Tenno.  This hints at a coldness commonly associated an easily replaceable tool.  So, what if this "Lotus" organization is simply using the Tenno for their Warframes, because the Tenno are the only ones able to use them.  Perhaps the Tenno were the elite guard of the Orokin, and that is the reason they are the sole bearers of the Warframe tech.  Another note, the Tenno appear to be genderless, as they can don armor with distinctly male and/or female features seemingly at will.  I have to go out to dinner now.  and will continue this later...  Bye all.
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      I found this thing on Venus, the Vesper mission. Fell down a hole. Looks pretty Orokin to me, and also looks like the Corpus were digging it up.

      Come on the old war was finished there was peace through out galixy, then the tennos wheir awaken to restor the peace, as for some of the artifacts they wheir left be hind from the old war and the new threat is after these artifacts, END OF STORY.

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    • that seriously isn't your theory is it..........sure it might be the plot in a nut shell to the entire game...but the forum isn't called game plot in a nut shell...it's lotus's true intentions. and thats what we are disscussing

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    • Lotus' true intentions--->Lore in a nutshell

      sweet, how did we get here?

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    • DualShadow wrote:
      Achyron wrote:
      If it's no trouble, I would like to add my two cents.  So.  At the end of some missions, "Lotus" says, '"Nice work Tenno, the Lotus will be pleased"'.  This indicates that she is not in herself alone "Lotus", but rather a construct or AI, as mentioned earlier.  This leads me to believe that "Lotus" is an organiztion of some kind, also as put forth in earlier comments, and that the Lotus we interact with is merely a liason between the Tenno and this organization.  As for the Tenno, they were put in cryo-stasis for some reason by the Orokin.  Which is interesting, because if the Orokin can have such absolute control over the minions on the Towers in the Void, why were they unable to control the Technocyte infested? Why didn't they go into cryo?  Why are the Orokin 'gone'?  I agree with the earlier comments saying it is suspicious when "Lotus" says in the beginning that is doesn't matter that you lost your memory, only that you are Tenno.  This hints at a coldness commonly associated an easily replaceable tool.  So, what if this "Lotus" organization is simply using the Tenno for their Warframes, because the Tenno are the only ones able to use them.  Perhaps the Tenno were the elite guard of the Orokin, and that is the reason they are the sole bearers of the Warframe tech.  Another note, the Tenno appear to be genderless, as they can don armor with distinctly male and/or female features seemingly at will.  I have to go out to dinner now.  and will continue this later...  Bye all.
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      I found this thing on Venus, the Vesper mission. Fell down a hole. Looks pretty Orokin to me, and also looks like the Corpus were digging it up.

      Come on the old war was finished there was peace through out galixy, then the tennos wheir awaken to restor the peace, as for some of the artifacts they wheir left be hind from the old war and the new threat is after these artifacts, END OF STORY.


      this guy

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    • cool, so can we now get back on topic? :D

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    • So i was running a t1 exterminate in the void, and i don't know if anyone else noticed it, but there is a lotus.  And it's awfully reminiscent of the Lotus.  Any thoughts on this would be great.
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      This seems to suggest that Lotus is either copycatting the Orokin, or it has Orokin roots.

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    • I figured you guys would agree with my theory about the Tenno being infected with the T-Virus and the Warframes stopping the T-Virus from infecting the Tenno. And about the Lotus in the Orokin Void, I would say that Lotus probably is the last member of the Orokin Empire remaining, and she could be making a deal with Stalker to take out the Tenno. I reckon that if Warframe has a sequel, it would probably be about the Grineer and Corpus being defeated and Lotus and Stalker trying to take out the Tenno. Besides, the Tenno are not proving their worth to Lotus, they are just proving their strenghth, which is not a good thing because that makes them more of a dangerous rival rather than a valuable asset. I mean, if there was someone who you disagreed with but brought onto your side, you would kill that person if they proved too powerful or too strong, wouldn't you?

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    • ^I sense a pro backstabber there, but I agree with that

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    • Just a fast note:The devs said that this game is not a sequel to Dark Sector or has a connected lore to Warframe,just the ideas are the same.Now,this may not be true,so you guys would have to search for this.

      I liked the theory of the guy who said that the Lotus is an AI that the Grineer and Corpus was using and then this AI suddenly woke up and started helping out the Tenno.Thats pretty cool i would never have thought on that.But this is also silly because there are no hints in game that even point out the possibility of this.Lets focus on what this game has not on possibilities

      Also,lets just remember that its BELIEVED(its just theory) that the Stalker is a rogue Tenno and that he has Orokin origins,i think this can help a lot this topic.

      I believe the Tenno are human,because on rescue missions the Lotus says "there is a Tenno vital to our operations located on this ship" and when your rescue target is a woman you can see part of the face,which is clearly a human face,and has pointed out before,its a Tenno.And that makes me think they are not part of the armor.Also,some warframes(if not just Excalibur) have the Lotus symbol on the armor.And is only Excalibur have the Lotus symbol on the armor,then lets remember that Excalibur and the Stalker have the same armor,study that and create your theorys.The lore on this game reminds me of Dark Souls,fucking awesome.

      I think you guys are starting to create some exaggeratad theorys,lets focus on what the game has,stop creating theorys that does not have any hint of that in the game.I dont know what a "pissing contest" is,but i hope i dont create that and if i do,please warn me.

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    • lets not that we know for starters that the lotus symbol was a part of an orokin race. we know this from gameplay. we also know that the tenno are of orokin origin or at least there armour is. this proves that in no way shape or form is the lotus symbol on their armour a symbol of allegianxce to the lotus orgonization.

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    • So, this is a bit late, i know, but doesn't the lore say that the Orokin created the Technocyte plague to combat the Sentients?  so, what if Humans were said sentients, and the tenno, and the warframes, were basically the Orokin Honor guard?  And the Lotus is Orokin, or is at least of Orokin descent, and therefore would know or have heard stories about the might of the Warframe-comprised Honor Guard; therefore waking them.  This would explain the Corpus and  Grineers desperate gamibit for survival, the Corpus with proxies, the Grineer with cloning.  

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      lets not that we know for starters that the lotus symbol was a part of an orokin race. we know this from gameplay. we also know that the tenno are of orokin origin or at least there armour is. this proves that in no way shape or form is the lotus symbol on their armour a symbol of allegianxce to the lotus orgonization.

      Ok good point i didnt thought on this.
      I gotta create an account for this.

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    • kool. also note that the lotus girl mentions that the tenno have no allegiance other than too each other

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    • Stop mentioning Dark Sector, DE already said They're too different story lines.

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    • errmmm that had nothing to do with dark sector?

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    • or maybe DE is trolling again (e.g Stalker doesn't exist)

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    • stalker exist i played t2 and the light started flashing and this black figure with kunais and bow tried to kick me ass but u people r good with the lore im make a account on this

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    • is stalker like hybrid of the male warframes ? and excalibur doesnt have a lotus decal on him

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    • I was working on a fanfic and jumped to this thread to get a feel for what the community thinks about warframe's lore, and I gotta say, you guys have some seriously impressive ideas! Keep this going, maybe they devs could get some lore ideas from us? ;)

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    • bor this is my entire two weeks. you wanna turn it into a fanfic sure. just make sure u post our names at the bottom if u wanna use our ideas. and if you ever need a hand with ideas i spend my time writing short novels so would love to be a part of ur work

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    • Juncboks wrote:
      Honestly, the most likely senario is that she is in fact, an AI. An AI that has monitored the state of the area and waited for the appropriate time to fulfill her duty. Her Duty being the future of the Tenno. The Grineer are the faction in the area where you start, not the Corpus. The Grineer are there specifically to ensure control against a Tenno uprising. (that's actual game lore from the beginning of the game :P) The Tenno went into stasis a long time ago for reasons I am unclear about. It would only be logical that they, with their advanced technology, would set up an AI to guide and ensure the safety and future of the Tenno. These other Factions seek to destroy the Tenno each for different reasons and the Lotus is simply following her programming, eliminating hostilities and setting up political standings (Politics are proven by Councilor Vey Hek mission). No tyranny, no evil, survival programming. Lotus is establishing a place for the Tenno amongst many evils. The Grineer are simply conquest obsessed, Corpus see the Tenno as an incursion of profit, Infested seek to consume the Tenno and make them infested as well, since that is simply what the infested are; infested Corpus, Grineer, and other such things.

      I agree, although this was much more obvious in halo with cortana, they made every effort to emphasize the fact she was an AI chip.

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    • Note:  Grineer Heavy Gunners say "DEATH TO THE LOTUS"  when they show up and they know you're there.  So grineer know about Lotus.  Expansion required.

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    • 89.175.136.28 wrote:
      there was this one intel thing released during the fusion moa weekend, where it was a corpus message that mentioned the lotus being a trator or something to them. but idk, i mean, she did basically say that memory loss is nothing in the beginning.

      True, she did.  But genetic memory is what allows the Tenno to fight like they do(IMO).

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    • Prime Warframes are the warframes originally created by the Orokins, so the Tenno are the Orokin's decendants. The Orokins were from Earth originally, but then the Sentients came, and the Orokins created the Technocyte Virus to battle the Sentients. Simple enough? The tenno were in cryopods for so long they lost memory while the Grineer took over Earth by sheer numbers. There is all the current info on backstories for you.

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    • Okay, after reading this whole thread, this is the theory I have come to, it may disagree or conflict with many of your ideas but bear with me. Also, please let me know if any of this conflicts with currently established lore:

      In the beginning, there was the Orokin Empire. At the height of its power, it ruled the entirety of the Origin System. Eventualy however, they came across an alien race, who they called the Sentients (This coincides with how humans are on the search for "sentient" life in the universe. So it makes sense that the first species of sentient aliens that Orokin encounter are called "Sentients"). The Sentients were powerful enough to overwhelm the Orokin Empire and so the Orokin developed the Techoncyte Virus (T-Virus from now on). The T-Virus worked. It decimated all incoming Sentient threats and reduced their armies to pieces. 

      However, the T-Virus began to turn on the Orokin. Incoming reports from the outer edges of the Origin System seem to show that the T- Virus was beginning to infect their own. The leaders of the Orokin hoped that this outbreak would remain on the outer realms of the Origin System, hoping to keep the whole thing under wraps. Worried by this outbreak, a biotechnology company (with strong ties to the government) began to develop measures to combat the T-Virus. This company would eventually come to be known as the organization we refer to as The Lotus. 

      The Lotus developed exo-armor that would greatly improve resistance to the T-Virus, showing a nearly 100% immunity to the virus. However, such exo-armors were incredibly expensive to create, so The Lotus had to rely heavily on Orokin defense contracts to fund their research. As a result, the exo-armors were geared towards combat and warfare, dubbing them Warframes to further show their "usefulness" to the military. The wearers of the Warframes however, had to undergo extensive biotechnological augmentation and gene modification, effectively creating the Tenno, a new race of people with the ability to don the T-Virus resistant Warframes. The Tenno had begun to prove their abilities in combat for the Orokin, eradicating and purging entire planets of all infected. They quickly acquired the status as elite fighters of the Orokin Empire. 

      However, the process of creating Warframes as well as Tenno was extremely slow. soon the T-Virus had spread exponentially into the Origin System, and The Lotus had to abandon their project and flee as even Earth began to succumb to the T-Virus. This is when the 2 other factions came to be. The Orokin military believed that extensive cloning would ensure the survival of the species and began to clone their armies in exponential numbers. The Orokin Military effectively splintered from the Orokin Empire and after centuries, came to be known as the Grineer. The large corporations and big wigs of the Orokin Empire all fled to the inner-most areas of the Origin System. They threw their money at scientists and engineers to develop technology to combat the T-Virus and keep the infestation at bay. This alliance of the richest and smartest of the Orokin Empire came to be known as the Corpus.

      And so The Lotus, having no money to develop new Warframes and Tenno, and with the T-Virus at their doorstep, had nowhere to turn. They knew that the Warframes made the Tenno highly resistant to the T-Virus, but knew it was not a 100%. In a last ditch effort to protect their most prized creations, they put all the Tenno into cryostasis. Hoping that when the T-Virus eventually died down, the Tenno could awaken and reclaim the Orokin Empire. The remaining members of The Lotus either went into hiding or were claimed by the T-Virus.

      And this is where I come to my problem. I don't know what to believe when it comes to the voice that now guides the Tenno, who only goes by the name "Lotus". She could just be AI that The Lotus developped before they met their end. Or she could be a descendant of the remaining members of The Lotus, who found a way to awaken the mythical Tenno of old. Or she could be a large number of intelligence officers that work for The Lotus, whe actually thrived for all these centuries in hiding, waiting for the right moment to awaken their powerful army and retake the Origin System. 

      I can't seem to make a decision of which story I like better.

      Well that is my extremely long story of the lore of Warframe. I feel like it makes the most sense and is also the most concise out of all the theories out there, and yes I hold it in high regard. Please let me know what you think, if you believe there are plot holes, or if something doesn't make sense, or conflicts with currently established lore. THANKS.

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    • Also, my in-game-name is AndyTheLegend, if any of you want to add me. It would be nice to discuss Warframe lore while mowing down hordes of infected on Jupiter :)

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    • ur theory is good though i do believe it is more likely that instead of being expensive armour. it would be more likely that the armour was a strand of highly controled modified and evolved t-virus. which would explain y the infected bosses say u are one of them and ask u u hurt them. but how exciting is it that they are finally adding story missions. the lore will at last be un raveled

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    • I feel like people are reading too deep into what the infected bosses say. They are infected. They are the T-Virus that have taken control of a human body. So when they say "we are your flesh" they just mean they are of our flesh, as in their flesh is the same as ours.

      Even if the T-Virus was used in the creation of the Tenno or the Warframes, how would the infected know. Can they sense it or something? like an instinct? if that was the case, why do they attack us? Why do they harm us if "they are our flesh" and we are one in the same.

      Just some food for thought. 

      And also, I just mentioned that they were expensive to explain why the suits were built for combat. I was thinking, if The Lotus was just developing suits that were resistant to the T-Virus, why even bother to make it a combat suit? Then I remembered that in real life (and video games) a lot of biotech and research companies end up making military-grade products because they are heavily funded by government defense contracts. So they do their world-saving research, while also churning out biological weapons and stuff like that for the military so they can have money to fund their research.

      A prime example would be Deus Ex - Human Revolution (great game btw). The Biotech firm, Sarif Industries, builds human limb augmentations (think cyborg arms and legs) to help people overcome disability and stuff like that, but they also implement a lot of weapons grade stuff into these augmentations because its government defense contracts that keep them afloat.

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    • My version of the Lotus Conspiracy is like this :

      A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...*cue the star wars theme*

      Earth's past had been shrouded in mystery. Once the Solar System were ruled by the Orokin Empire. Developing high technologies, they shaped the Solar System. They were so advanced. However, greed was always there, and the Orokin Empire fell in the ages where they had a massive Revolution, led by a weapon trading company called the Corpus. The corpus had weapons, robots and advanced suits, but they didn't have the ultimate weapon of the Orokin - the Warframes. After an intense battle, the Orokin Empire and Corpus broke down in ruins.

      In the distant future, the Solar System was in turmoil when the Technocyte Plague came and wiped out almost all living beings into Infected. A few human beings managed to survive, and here was the differences. A few discovered Orokin Technologies. These technologies include Warframes, and many. We stop there first, now let's continue to the other humans. Other humans were sceptic about the Orokin Techs and discovered that they had some rare genes that made them invulnurable to the Technocyte Plague. They mass duplicated themselves into clones so that their genes were preserved. Some of them rose to become the leader of these new species - Captain Vor, Lt. Lich, and others. Due to many clonings, their humanoid genetics were badly ruined and they became deformed, like the Grineers we saw.

      Some of the humans discovered another remains, which led them to a vast weaponry and wealth. These were the remnants of the Corpus. Their suits were also immune to the Technocyte Plague, and they had a far greater arsenal than the Orokins. However, like I've stated above, the ultimate technology is still the Warframes, which they didn't have. They re-established the Corpus Organization.

      Another group of humans who discovered Orokin Technologies were greeted by an extraterestrial, intelligent, (and bitchy) sentient entitiy named the Lotus. The Lotus' wanted to save these humans (that's what she said!!), but she brainwashed them. After that, she gave them doctrines and trainings and suit them inside the warframes. Their genes were not immune to Technocyte, but their frames were sophisticated enough to give them immunity to Technocyte Virus. Having superior ability, they also had an enhanced intelligence, which capable them to forge and research weapons. They were called the Tennos. (singular form : Tenno, plurar form : Tennos). However, the true intention of the Lotus was to take over the Solar System back to its previous owner - the OROKIN EMPIRE. She was the Last Queen of Orokin who turned herself into a sentient entity.

      Grineers and Corpus heard about the uprising of the Orokin Empire. They first wanted to ally themselves, but the Corpus didn't want to bow down to the Grineers. Moreover, the Infected began showing low intelligence through virus mutation. From normal humanoid bizzare zombie-like creatures, the virus mutated them and took many forms. Possessed, they had enhanced muscle strength and was very dangerous. They attacked the Grineers and the Corpus.

      The Lotus, seeing the Solar System was in turmoil, decided to take over by sending her "allies" (read : intelligent slaves) the Tennos to fight all 3 factions - Grineers, Corpus, and the Infected. The superior technology made them capable fighters. Tennos were given free-wills as long as Lotus had control over them. They were allowed to make clans, steal and develop weapons, and explored the vast Solar System. Lotus also suggested them to raid ships as they didn't have much wealths compared to the rich Corpus.

      However, little did Lotus knew that a human had survived the brainwashing and vowed to overthrow her. His name : the Stalker. The Stalker tried to beat Warframes and made the Tennos aware of Lotus' plans by stalking them and giving them warnings. If he could, he would cripple them, but not killing them. But after the Stalker tried to give them explainations, most of them didn't believe him at all, and beat the crap out of him instead for mocking their beloved Queen. The Stalker himself became enraged and gone from his true morality : from a hero to a lone villain. He decided to hunt down and kill all Tennos. The Stalker became the most feared being in the Solar System, and because of his identity, he was chased by the Grineers and Corpus too. Lotus then gave Tennos better weapons and hijacked some Corpus weapon containers to give the Tennos better arsenals, known as the "Vandal" variant of weapons. She also developed "Prime" warframes. The Tennos thought Lotus as their protector, and............well it continued till now.


      How is it guys? Does this fantasy made any sense to you?

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    • I've lost track of all this...might have helped to read everything but honestly this is the biggest wall of text I've ever seen.

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    • Its already been established that it was the Orokin themselves who created the Technocyte Plague in an attempt to combat the Sentients. It did not just arrive out of nowhere, after the Orokin Empire fell.

      If the Orokin had Warframes which are apparently "the ultimate technology" then how did they lose a war against a mere weapons trading company? We're talking about an empire that stretched throughout the entire solar system with an army of Tenno who wielded the deadly Warframes. And they have a hard time beating a group of weapons dealers?

      The plural of Tenno is Tenno. There is no Tennos. They don't wear Tennos shoes and play on Tennos courts.

      If the stalker is against Lotus, how does he know where everyone is, and why does he even go after Tenno? Why not just go after Lotus herself. Why does he say he's taking revenge for the bosses? 

      I dunnooo man sounds a little shaky to me.

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    • well the best way to think of y he didnt go after the lotus is because no one knows where she is. we have the corpus a strand of humanity consisting of nothing but multimillionare traders and over powered chicken robots. and if they havent found her then how is he supposed to? the stalker is one guy that some players can easily wipeout solo. people definitly see this guy as more than he is. he is imply a rogue tenno who has absoulty no ties as far as we know. he might just be a sympathist for high ranking bosses. we don't know but maybe when update nine and the story line comes out we will finely discovere who he is who the lotus is and who we as tenno are.

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      tell the truth i recon the stalker is hayden tenno from dark sector and u agree the female character who guides you thrrough missions is simply a intelligence officer.


      I havent completed Dark Sector, yet, but this has been my assumption since my first battle against the stalker.

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    • why don't we wait until they release more information about Lotus. They are still working on Lore and we're jumping to conclusions without more info on her

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    • Well...this thread is about the theories we had put together about the Lotus, so I guess we should be jumping to conclusions instead of waiting for the actual lore to come out, you never know, one of might be right

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    • 139.193.159.175 wrote:
      ...Other humans were sceptic about the Orokin Techs and discovered that they had some rare genes that made them invulnurable to the Technocyte Plague. They mass duplicated themselves into clones so that their genes were preserved...

      ...These were the remnants of the Corpus. Their suits were also immune to the Technocyte Plague...

      ...Grineers and Corpus heard about the uprising of the Orokin Empire. They first wanted to ally themselves, but the Corpus didn't want to bow down to the Grineers...


      1. Grineer and Corpus are clearly not immune to the infestation- evident in chargers and runner variants.
      2. Grineer and corpus are closer than you think. Corpus developed the cloning tech for Grineer, which is what I think the main reason why Grineer hasn't wiped them out yet- they need the tech supplies.

      Out of all the theories so far I think 75.142.237.102 (read it way way above) and AndyTheLegend has the most concrete theories. Btw I've seen the orokin artifact you posted andy and I'm curious- do primes activate anything near them since I've heard of that rumuor?

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    • Ok, I figured I would throw my 2 cents in on this all.

      First off, I feel that The Orokins are to blame for the mess the solarsystem is in, they caused the T-plague, and also probaly created a clone army to fight for them (ganeer). Eventualy the clone army became too strong to controll and turned on them as well as the Infested atacking them from sistems they had lost controll of. This caused a rouge faction of merchants to split off and thus formed the corpus. If you read the new lore pages the Corpus teck is based off scavanged parts of old Orokin teck after the great colapse, hense why they are not as advanced. Now on to the Graneer, they where made ganetickly unstable due to generation upon generation of cloning at the hands of the Orokin and thus their race began to fall appart and they want revenge for this... and the only surviving Orokins are the Teno, wich if you noticed in the PS4 traler are suspended in Orokin ruins. Thus Lotus, It is most likely an orginisation that wants to reforge the Orokin empire throughout the galaxcy, but intead of what they once where wich was a dark empire, she is trying to repurpose the warframes, hense why she sends us to kill off the leaders of the Greneer empire that are causign it's destructive corse. And as for the Corpus bosses she seems to send us after those mostly in preservation or Warframes themselves. Jackal? hieana/ raptor all deadly new robots thay could use on us, Mars boss (forgot his name) cause he is doing blackmarket deals to sell off warframes. Now for the stakler, I feel he may be a Teno that was not awakened by Lotus, and has also lost his memory and instead of being directed like the rest of us is trying to forge his own path. And all he can see is a group of overly powerfull super soldurs killign off much less powerfull people inorder to further their own goals. So thus he decided ot becoem a vigalanti. Hense why he hunts down those that kill off the bosses.

      Now on a side note, this coudl just be the begining meshe they used and not an intentonal game plot device, but the "warframe crio pods" we have to defend in the defence misions... they do not look like any warframe I have seen, they just look liek a person. So I feel perhaps they are just the normal orokins that where preserved, perhaps politions or officals of some kind and not actualy the Teno themselves... who where the super soldures of the Orokin.

      Thoughts woudl be apriciated, as this is just my personal feeligns on it all after watchign the PS4 trailer, and seeing the lore provided with update 9

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    • 72.68.121.181 wrote:

      Now on a side note, this coudl just be the begining meshe they used and not an intentonal game plot device, but the "warframe crio pods" we have to defend in the defence misions... they do not look like any warframe I have seen, they just look liek a person. So I feel perhaps they are just the normal orokins that where preserved, perhaps politions or officals of some kind and not actualy the Teno themselves... who where the super soldures of the Orokin.

      Well the warframes are just exo-armors for the Tenno. For all we know, Naked Nick over in that cryopod could be what the Tenno look like when they strip off their warframes. 

      Yes, I am aware that in the PS4 trailer, the tenno in cryostasis was already wearing his warframe (Excalibur) but I think that was just for cinematic purposes. Pretty sure the Tenno were put into crystasis without their warframes, and then equipped them after Lotus woke them up.

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    • I think it's important to realize that we're still playing a BETA release.

      I imagine the Devs will release more lore and information as we get closer to launch, for now, their concern is that the game works properly, not what symbol appears on Stalker's gun.

      I wouldn't consider anything from beta period to be canon story for the final game... Right now their goals are finishing the project, funding the project, and generating public anticipation for the project.

      Art and story are secondary, probably tertiary objectives for the dev team at this point (which is why all the bosses except for Vor and Kril still look generic).

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    • that or they where pre armed for a specific reasn and then uput into stasis like a missile in a submarine or something. maybe they where as a final line of defense, to beactivated in the orokinsfinal moments but the orokin got wiped out by either the infcted or the ":sentients" before they could reactivate their tenno warriors

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    • 68.3.200.207 wrote:



      Well we're just guessing here about the Lotus and the lore, no one's rushing DE to release the full story ._. DE also pretty much confirmed that Dark Sector and Warframe were related during the livestream and we already have pieces of information DE provided us. If these are not canon I don't know what is.

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    • Here's my theory about the Lotus:

      During the Orokin Empire's reign beings known as the Sentients came to the current solar system. These beings posed a serious threat, so as a result the Orokin Empire created the T-Virus,  this proved effective against the Sentients until the Orokins realized it was affecting they're own. So, the Orokin used the T-Virus to devise a "vacine" which actually turned out to be a more controllable version of the T-Virus (this was the version that was injected into Hayden Tenno).  However it was only a prototype (hence Tenno's limited resistance and Excalibur Warframe prototype), so the Orokin eventually completed the "vacine", which was part of the Warframe armor used in the in-game time.
      
      The Orokin then selected Tenno, named after Hayden Tenno the original Tenno, and each were trained in discipline and fractions of chivalry.  Each Tenno was injected with the T-Virus and then fitted into a warframe after.  The fight against the "infested" was in vain as the military failed and Tenno production was slow, eventually the Orokin Empire split into three, the military began to clone themselves repeatedly thanks to the efforts of the old empire's high class members, became the Grineer, the high class became Corpus, and the Tenno remained as the  Orokin's honor guard until the infested that grew large, eventually the Orokin's old void towers where destroyed and the old empire went under the alias of "The Lotus". It was then the Lotus constructed new void towers (e.g. if you look around you can see lotus symbols.)  However, as the infested threat grew a war raged out between all factions, the end result was the blame of the old Orokin Empire. The Tenno naturally defended their masters which caused than to be victims of genocide, and also caused the Lotus to put their creations in cryostasis. However, some Tenno, like the Stalker for example, didn't get sealed in cryostasis. The Grineer eventually became predjudiced against all non-Grineer and Corpus invested in tech trade trough their limited Orokin technology, and the Lotus went into hiding until the time was right. Eventually the Grineer found a way to track down cryostasis Tenno and the Lotus had to abruptly reawaken the Tenno, the result was the apparent amnesia most Tenno have.  The Lotus AI is the navigator for each Tenno and is exceptionally well at doing what it does. (being able to communicate to all Tenno in the field.)
      
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    • If you want to know my theory about the Stalker, just ask.

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    • Or if you want to know more.

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    • i personally think that the lotus piggy backed the idea of the orokins as the symbol was familiar to the tenno.

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    • Protoman Zero X's theory seems nice. my own theory of the Stalker using his theory will be that the Stalker might have been the 'prototype' he had been trained under the same menu as the other Tennos but when he was given the T-Virus to turn him into a Warframe user, the Virus was too strong/training was too weak so his trainings were distorted and made him into what he is now. The Orokins then adjusted the T-Virus to make the other Tennos able to harness it. Then the first prototype of the new T-Virus was the Excalibur suit, then they kept changing the Virus to create new Warframes. They ignored the Stalker since they didn't think that a prototype could ever beat a full product.

      The Lotus could be a product of the Orokins for the Tenno but it's also likely for the Lotus to be another force which is trying to use the Tenno to their advantage, afterall, if it's true that the Lotus is a helper of the Tenno, why haven't we been given any Orokin weapon which the Orokin Empire would have made to help the Tenno? Why do they have to steal from the Grineer/Corpus for weapons? Couldn't the Lotus locate the Orokin weapons the Tenno had used before they had been put into the cryostasis if she was really a helper to the Tenno? (This should be more likely since if the Lotus was a true helper and did find stashes of Orokin weapons, it beats the point of the game)

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    • it feels good that people are starting to adopt my theory of the t-virus

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    • sry it was a wiki contributor. it still feels good when we all adopt the one idea though

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    • Protoman Zero X wrote:
      If you want to know my theory about the Stalker, just ask.

      Okay, then, lets hear it (Or read it, in this case)

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    • The Stalker as most theories would state is a Tenno, noted by his wearing of Excalibur armor with a custom helmet.
      Here's my theory:
      
      The Stalker (like Hayden Tenno) was one of the original Tenno  (hence the modded Excalibur warframe). The Stalker served the Orokin (or the Lotus as they called themselves after the end of the war) like the other Tenno, but thoughts came to him that the Lotus was the case of all the ongoing chaos of his people the Tenno.  So when the Lotus began putting Tenno in cryopods the Stalker was not amongst those put in stasis. The Stalker went into hiding until he learned the Tenno had been reawakened. He then began to monitor Tenno movement, targeting Tenno who have taken down an important figure or two. He states that he knows what the player Tenno had done, indicating that the player Tenno may have been close to the Stalker and the allusion that he is getting revenge for a boss is a lie and it's simply there because he found out about the player Tenno and "stalks" him/her. As the player Tenno doesn't remember anything about his/her past the relationship between the player Tenno and the Stalker is unknown however it could be that the player Tenno was a rogue as well and the Stalker is angry at the Tenno for following the Lotus' order to place themselves in stasis,  and seeks revenge at the player for "betraying" him.
      
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    • You're all reading way too much into this. She was just a small town girl living in a lonely world, until she reawakened the Tenno...

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    • stop quoting songs

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    • I wish a litlle play with the Idea Lotus being an "organization". Though many agree Lotus being an organization, it could be... but what kind of an organization is that? Old faction from the Orokin Era or... The resistance?  According to my agents, Lotus "voice" is possibly a leader and founder of this resistance. Soo therefore she IS a person AND the organization.

      Or.. some of the leads my agents collected led me thinking that the..form, let me say Lotus Voice, is uncertain. "She" could be a hologramic image that the voice and the "identity" might be something else that we think of, what backup the idea of organization rather than single person... but either way IS possible.

      what comes to the "death to the Lotus" shout... that give us no lead to anywhere actually, because it could point to Person as well as the organization.


      -Korpisotur1

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    • 88.115.34.203 wrote:
      I wish a litlle play with the Idea Lotus being an "organization". Though many agree Lotus being an organization, it could be... but what kind of an organization is that? Old faction from the Orokin Era or... The resistance?  According to my agents, Lotus "voice" is possibly a leader and founder of this resistance. Soo therefore she IS a person AND the organization.

      Or.. some of the leads my agents collected led me thinking that the..form, let me say Lotus Voice, is uncertain. "She" could be a hologramic image that the voice and the "identity" might be something else that we think of, what backup the idea of organization rather than single person... but either way IS possible.

      what comes to the "death to the Lotus" shout... that give us no lead to anywhere actually, because it could point to Person as well as the organization.


      -Korpisotur1

      ^ and then i sung alleliuha

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      ^ and then i sung alleliuha


      I guess you're the only one who's allowed to be musical...

      Oh, it's alleluia. The more you know!

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    • i'm just happy finally someone realises that th lotus we see is just a person who is part of an organization.

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    • but didn't we esthablish a long time ago that the Lotus we see might be a representative of an organisation?

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    • I jump in there.

      I still think Lotus is a AI programmed by an Organisation.

      And this Organisation has to have the same origin as the Tenno: the Orokin.

      Noticed Frost Prime (Excal Prime, doesn't matter) is made to be a sort of "Prototype" of the later Warframe. And that the Dojos look a bit like the Orokin Towers?

      I think Tenno isn't a race. It's more like a group, maybe the "army" of the Orokin. An the Lotus is the head and the strategist of this army. Ever Noticed that Lotus' suit looked kinda of like a Warframe? Maybe the Orokin closed the mind of Lotus in a programm to lead the Tenno for eternity when they need her?

      The only thing I don't understand are the Orokin Towers. Maybe the Orokin made the Corrupted when the Tenno went in the stasis and they lost control. So the Corrupted attacked everything, except for other Corrupted.

      Maybe when the Tenno went in the stasis and the Orokin left the Towers when the Grineer started to rise and become a danger, they left the Corrupted as a last defensive line to protect the technology... And now the Tenno need the technology again to defeat there enemys...

      I think Lotus knows a lot, but she wont tell us til the time will come...

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    • to be honest a lot of the "established lore" that we see on the wikia are just things that we have heard Lotus say before. I don't see how one can believe Lotus to be some evil mastermind controlling a Tenno army and also take the things she tells us to be the truth. How do we KNOW she's ever telling us the truth? How do we KNOW the bosses we kill are a danger to other tenno, how do we KNOW the mining equipment we destroy will stop "dangerous research". We say Lotus is evil and yet we take her word as the truth. This is an example of actual mind control, how the masses take something a person of authority says to be the truth even when suspicion exists as to the authority figure's true intentions. 

      Another thing I noticed. People have said that the Technocyte Plague was created by the Orokin to battle the sentients, this is written on the wikia, and I have always believed it to be true in the past. But I recently realized that nowhere in game does it say that the Orokin created the virus (correct me if I'm wrong). The only place where it kind of touches on it is in the J3 Golem battle where Lotus says "Here exists a creature created by the Orokin to combat the Sentients in the Old War" Even if that were true, it only mentions the creature, J3 Golem, not the infestation itself. For all we know, the T-cyte plague could've just appeared out of nowhere and the Orokin just managed to use it to their advantage and created J3 Golem. Idk how we came upon the assumption that the Orokin created the plague in the first place.

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    • ^ it aint mind control. it's propganda. similar to what we in current society use to persuade people to do something. like for example in world war 1 and 2 propogande was used to make people believe that there was somethng special about joining the army and any man who didn't was a coward. and it worked. people who did join the army where valued above those who stayed at home and did jobs that kept the contry running. btw this isn't of topic im just explaing that the lotus isn't "mind controlling" or "brainwashing" us. she is simply using propoganda.

      point 2 you want to find out how we drew the conclusion that the T-virus was orokin made? you might want to start at the beginning of the forum and read downwards

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    • Propaganda is a form of mind control. and there isn't really propaganda in warframe so idk where you're going with that lol.

      And I already read the whole thread once, I'm not gonna waste time doing it again, if you know the answer just tell me, don't gotta be a jerk about it.

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    • well i didn't wanna read the thread again and explain it so im not tryin to be an ass or anything it's just i feel the same way as u do. and in a way the propganda is the speech that the "lotus" gives you at the start. it is similar to speeches given by goverment in times of war. and mind control just sounds way to forceful propganda is more subtle and with out proper evidence. mind control is what nyx does, lotus however does it with speeches. well one speech and a small army of tenno. i guess the entire reason the tenno follow her is they have no where else to go. the lotus has a use for them and while they do her dirty work she gives them access t weapons bases and supplies.it's most likely a u scratch my back i'll scratch urs deal.

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    • AndyTheLegend

      point 1:we have no other real evidence we can go by, make use of what you have, that's what we have been doing

      point 2:that bugged me for a while too, maybe the J3-Golem was a humanoid thing which the Sentients turned into the current form by releasing the T-Virus? It could also be that the Sentients were the ones who had released the T-Virus which made the bio weapon created by the Orokins, a.k.a J3-Golem, lose its mind and become the 'all consuming' being. The virus could have been stored up in the Golem's body and when the Corpus/Grineer tried to land on Jupiter, they were infected by the Golem's T-Virus which had accumulated over time

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    • Why are you guys talking about the Lotus trying to "control" us? In the beginning, the Lotus tells us that we have no other loyalty than to ourselves. That means that what we are doing with the Lotus is of our own obligation. The Tenno are trained in discipline and some parts of chivalry(attacking someone while they're down might be an exception).  So it would stand to rain that us getting the Lotus might be just is saying, "thanks for waking us from stasis."
      
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    • Protoman Zero X wrote:
      Why are you guys talking about the Lotus trying to "control" us? In the beginning, the Lotus tells us that we have no other loyalty than to ourselves. That means that what we are doing with the Lotus is of our own obligation. The Tenno are trained in discipline and some parts of chivalry(attacking someone while they're down might be an exception). So it would stand to rain that us getting the Lotus might be just is saying, "thanks for waking us from stasis."

      Or maybe she is controlling us to thinking that it is our own obligation to help her?

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    • there is absolutely no proof to prove this. how did you even think that? it's like buying a cheese burger from mcdonalds and saying they mind controlled me into doing it.

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    • ^XD

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    • Hey, theres actually legitimacy in that lmao. All the commercials on TV and how McDonalds has positioned themselves on a global marketing scale could've possibly manipulated you into buying that cheese burger. Don't underestimate the grip these corporations have on our consumer minds.

      lmao I'm starting to sound like my sociology professor. 

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    • AndyTheLegend wrote:
      Hey, theres actually legitimacy in that lmao. All the commercials on TV and how McDonalds has positioned themselves on a global marketing scale could've possibly manipulated you into buying that cheese burger. Don't underestimate the grip these corporations have on our consumer minds.

      lmao I'm starting to sound like my sociology professor. 

      OR maybe you are a sociology professor posing as a student...NO THE MIND CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!

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    • I wouldn't say that the Lotus controls us. After all, some Tenno make lucrative livings as mercenaries, which would imply loyalty only to money.

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      tell the truth i recon the stalker is hayden tenno from dark sector and u agree the female character who guides you thrrough missions is simply a intelligence officer.

      i think the stalker might be a tenno that had been infested and lost his mind to it not sure if its true or not but his helm looks similer to the infestation that could also be true 

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    • This is the lore I have come up with:

      -At the end of the events of DarkSector Hayden Tenno unified humans, who founded the Orokin Empire. They advanced in technology beyond measure. Among that Technology was the WARFRAME armor, worn by the human warriors, the genetically modified "Tenno".

      a group of humans broke out from the empire, beacause the gap between the rich and the poor was huge. They started a rebellion. more and more humans joined their cause. Thus began the great war.

      -To win the war, the empire soldiers created the infested: creatures that destroy anything in their path.

      -The infested broke out and destroyed both sides, but the rebels put a part of their forces into cryosleep for a time of need.

      -The Lotus is an AI from the empire side. Intensions- To recreate the Orokin empire or to destroy the Tenno are unknown.

      -The Stalker is a high- ranking Tenno in the high corcle of the Orokin Empire. He put himself into cryosleep and is now hunting the newly awoken Tenno.

      -The Tenno know nothing because either (evil) The Lotus hacked the system so they would be easy to manipulate or (good) it is simply an error because of the hurry.

      Il see what I come up with next.

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    • anyone got any idea as to what happened to the story missions they where including in warframe? the just kinda disappeared

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    • 79.182.19.43 wrote:

      This is the lore I have come up with:

      -At the end of the events of DarkSector Hayden Tenno unified humans, who founded the Orokin Empire. They advanced in technology beyond measure. Among that Technology was the WARFRAME armor, worn by the human warriors, the genetically modified "Tenno".

      a group of humans broke out from the empire, beacause the gap between the rich and the poor was huge. They started a rebellion. more and more humans joined their cause. Thus began the great war.

      -To win the war, the empire soldiers created the infested: creatures that destroy anything in their path.

      -The infested broke out and destroyed both sides, but the rebels put a part of their forces into cryosleep for a time of need.

      -The Lotus is an AI from the empire side. Intensions- To recreate the Orokin empire or to destroy the Tenno are unknown.

      -The Stalker is a high- ranking Tenno in the high corcle of the Orokin Empire. He put himself into cryosleep and is now hunting the newly awoken Tenno.

      -The Tenno know nothing because either (evil) The Lotus hacked the system so they would be easy to manipulate or (good) it is simply an error because of the hurry.

      Il see what I come up with next.

      Hmm so who do you think the sentients were?

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    • Mhyr1104 wrote:
      Or maybe she is a sixth faction (Tenno, Grineer, Corpus, Infested, Stalker being the first 5) who wants to abuse the Warframe technology. Isn't it just too convenient for the Tenno to lose their memories after being released from stasis? If their technology was that advanced, shouldn't the Tenno be able to prevent amnesia?

      They actually lost their memory from being pulled out of cryo stasis too soon.

      If they weren't pulled out soon, they would end up being either a roasted meal for infested, a dissected piece of profit for the Corpus, or simply something to make the Grineer Queens' walls look good.

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    • Mhyr1104 wrote:
      AndyTheLegend

      point 1:we have no other real evidence we can go by, make use of what you have, that's what we have been doing

      point 2:that bugged me for a while too, maybe the J3-Golem was a humanoid thing which the Sentients turned into the current form by releasing the T-Virus? It could also be that the Sentients were the ones who had released the T-Virus which made the bio weapon created by the Orokins, a.k.a J3-Golem, lose its mind and become the 'all consuming' being. The virus could have been stored up in the Golem's body and when the Corpus/Grineer tried to land on Jupiter, they were infected by the Golem's T-Virus which had accumulated over time

      That would fit more as J2000 Golem (the new, extremely malformed and twisted boss from the Orokin Derelicts)'s description.

      Only that THIS particular Golem went to an Orokin-infested ship, started absorbing corrupted beings, and probably became the giant final boss-looking monster we all know and love as J2000 Golem, instead of being stuck on Jupiter.

      I dunno...

      The only thing I know about the Lotus is:

      CONSPIRACYTHEORY

      CONSPIRACYTHEORY

      CONSPIRACYTHEORY

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    • I wanna hava a go. This will be a bit of a Long Read.

      Before the collapse caused by the War between the Orokin and the Sentient, the Corpus and Grinneer Did not exist. There were the Sentient, Orokin, and the Teno, the Teno are of Orokin origin, A Knightly Order within their Military Structure. The infested were created during the war to combat the Sentient. The war with the Sentient and the Rise of the Infested ravaged the Orokin empire. The Solar Rails were Shattered and Society colapsed in the aftermath.

      However Unlike the Origin System, the other Systems of the Orokin Empire managed to retain most of their culture and were not completely devastated by the Collapse. Human society outside of the origin system has the recovered better from The Collapse than the Origin System, although many higher end technologies had been lost, yet to be rediscovered. While many in the circles of power are aware and worried about the goings on in the Origin system, they do not have the will, and sometimes the resources to act. Some are too concerned with trivial matters or containing the Frequent outbreaks of Infested on the outskirts of society. Others just hope the troubles in the origin system will resolve themselves in a favorible manner.

      However there are always eyes on the Origin system. Although the Extra-Solar Rails to the Origin System are Fractured, the Orokin can still send Ships, although It would be a One-Way Trip. Over the centruies, many spy ships and probes have been sent to monitor the Origin System.

      The Corpus have been working to restore the Extra-Solar Rail system to the other Solar Systems For some time now. Many in power foolishly ignore this, thinking they will never succeed due to the constant conflict in the region or that they can negotiate in good faith with the two Human factions of the Origin system. Others are more Realistic. The Corpus could easily cause a lot of damage to the Surviving Orokin society Should they rebuild the Extra-Solar Rails. What they do not corrupt with their Greed they can attack with the might of their Robotic Armies.

      While The Grineer as a Society are slowing Dying as a result of their Genetic Degradation, they could  through their sheer numbers Cause many problems for The Remenants of Humanity should they Take control of the Extra-Solar Rails from the Corpus should they be restored.  

      Neither Situation was taken very seriously. That was until one day a ship arrived at a Commercial space station. It was a beaten up old derelict, slowly drifting toward the station. It was towed into the station, the owner hoping to make a large sum off the salvage. However, moments after the ship was secured in the docking bay, Infested began pouring out of the ship, Killing or Capturing all on board.

      Military teams were quickly sent to deal with this unexpected outbreak. While the initial teams were fighting to allow the escape of the surviving civilians, they discovered something horrifing. An infested that had become Self Aware. Althought many lives were lost in the process, an effort was made to determine the history of the ship instead of simply blowing it away.

      The findings were a horrifing revelation. The ship was from the Origin System. The Corpus had restored an Extra-Solar Rail Node, Which the Infested took over and used for their purpose. This shocked the Fractured Orokin Society into action. Not only had a link to the Chaotic Origin system been made, but the Infested had managed to make use of it to strike deep within their territory. This forced them to re-evaluate their policy toward the Origin system. A vocal few talked or a full scale military campaign, but most others thought the event a fluke or called the existence of Sentient Infested a hoax. A Mission that was thought to satisfy Most groups was proposed. A small fleet would be sent to the Origin system to take control of the Extra-Solar rails the Corpus rebuilt and take it over. Rigging the place to explode after it was used to return the fleet home.

      During the Mission a Female officier was gathering and sorting data found on the Corpus Network, Despite explicit orders to refrain from doing so. She found that the Remaining Orokin Governments were downplaying the military threat of the Corpus and Grinneer. Then she found the worst of it. The Corpus had Recently confirmed everything they had feared after the Space station incident. Over the centuries the Infested have used the Origin System as a Breeding ground, with several of them becomming Self-Aware, guiding the infested hordes.

      Knowing that if she reported her find directy to her superiors, she would be Court martialed for insubbordination and her findings discarded, she instead went to a trusted few of her Collegues. Together they formed a plan. A few would return with the fleet and try to spread the news of her findings. The rest would gather as many trusted allies and assets they could and stay behind in the origin system, hoping to buy time for the rest of humanity to awaken from their state of denial. Even if the Corpus and Grinneer were to fight each other to a stalemate over the remenants of the Solar Rails, The Infesed would continue to grow and mature. Eventually turning the entire Origin system into a giant breeding ground. And with the recent achievement of sentience, it would only be a matter of time before they learned to build Extra-Solar rails and spread across the other systems.

      The Officier had learned from hacking the Corpus network that Numerous Tenno were put into Cryo stasis and had recently been awakening from their long sleep. However they were awakening poorly or completely unarmed  and with a form of Amnesia, making them easy prey for the other factions. Knowing the power and skill the Tenno possesed despite their memory loss she formed a plan. She and her allies would rescue and guide the Newly awakened Tenno. The Tenno would then form the bulk of her fighting forces, with the others taking support roles as the Tenno's numbers grew sufficiently.

      She took on the Identity of the Lotus, becomming not only a leader but a symbol. This way another could take her place should she fall. People grow old, people get sick, people die. A Symbol is an Idea given form. it is very hard to kill an idea. Her goal: Build the Tenno into the 1st line of defence for Humanity. Should any of the 3 Factions gain true dominance in the Origin System, The fate of Humanity would be threatened.


      There you go. My long winded explanation of the lotus.

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    • also the stalker is a Teno using an experimental prototype warframe. Instead of being killed or disected. He was put through a rigorous brainwashing regimine and let loose against his former breathren.

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    • Somehow, I get the feeling that the devs don't actually know the lore yet. I think they'll just read through this thread and take the best ideas... :D

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    • Don't know anything about the Lotus, but honestly, the Stalker simply feels as a bounty hunter or vigilante to me. Can't explain why or how, simply feels that way to me.

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    • Here's my idea, but it doesn't cover the Lotus so much as the whole of the background of events. Be warned this is a HUGE wall of text:   From the events of Hayden Tenno and Darksector, he took it upon himself to ensure that there was some future left for humanity. In order for him to create this future, he did something he would most likely have regretted: He spread the same Nano-machines that infested him, playing survival of the fittest on a huge scale. What he did not expect was for so many people to survive the infestation, to adapt to it like he had, but further still, most were unaffected by it. The virus then underwent mutation, changing a small amount to black and gold, super-powered soldiers, forming the Primes, the first of the Orokin's defenders, where as the large remainder underwent a yet-unknown path becoming engineering and technological geniuses and leaders known as the Orokin. Space was the next step. I don't want to guess how far they spread; as that's up to you guys to think (I believe they made one heck of an empire, personally). A typical thing happened: The Orokin found something that they couldn't deal with, and something the Primes couldn't protect them from. They had found the enemy that would see them removed from history: The Sentients, as the Orokin refer to them as, had begun a major offensive. Despite not being as advanced as the Orokin/Prime troops, they were winning the war against them. They were pushed back into the Sol system, their capital and home world. In both desperation to not leave their technology to their enemy, and a desire to leave something behind that others could use to defeat the Sentients: Blueprints for the Prime's Bio-suit, their Warframe. On their deathbeds, they unleashed the virus once more, although this time with a different mutation that would make them into beasts. The Orokin threw their lost technology into the Void, although some of their ships were boarded. Those ships has their own fail-safe: T-Virus. The Orokin were dead, the Primes fighting to save Humanity while the Sentients fled from the onslaught, not to be seen again. Athough the Primes did well in clearing up Earth, the combination of the events of the T-Virus being released and Orokin's death caused the Collapse, a war between various factions of humanity taking power with the Primes caught in the middle. One group, remaining loyal to the Orokin, was sprinted away and taken by the Primes to be trained then put away in cryostasis, to act as the future guardians of humanity when one force won out. Unfortunately, this did not happen, despite the best efforts of the Primes, who were almost completely wiped out. During the Collapse War, the Corpus adopted reverse-engineered Orokin technology, fleeing from Sol and creating a major empire outside the reaches of the other factions. Meanwhile, on Earth, one faction finally did rise from the ashes: The brutal and deadly Grineer, headed by the Queens, former officers in the Orokin's past army, and technology specialists. They lead the Grineer to new highs, cloning and cybernetics becoming the most prevalent things, so much so that they became potential rivals to the Corpus. The Primes realized they had failed, and once again set out to unite humanity under one rule, but it had proved for nothing as they all died off, but it had not been for nothing: In one fell swoop, they set back Corpus research and development, and damaged their solar rail. To the Grineer, they degraded their genetic stock down, and reduced their supplies to make more clones, forcing the two forces to trade together. (Lotus bit incoming) This wasn't the worst thing they would do, and nor was it the final thing they would do. The last, and worst, was something that, to this day, they still curse. A Corpus reconnaissance force found the sleeping place of some of the Cryopods, but one occupant was dead. A female crewman, left alone in her investigation of the pods, removed the suit from the dead one. Unknown to her, she would become the greatest enemy to her former allies. Putting the suit on for the first time, she became the first Tenno, the eyes and ears of the whole organization. She became the Lotus, wielding the weapons of the previous Lotus. She killed off those with her, save for one, who fled and left the ship. The Lotus woke her brothers and sisters up, telling them the same thing the Primes attempted to do long ago: Either humanity unites under one flag, or they all die under different flags. Although the idea has long disappeared into history, Lotus still remembers, guiding them without giving them the real reason. (Stalker info) His name long lost to history, Stalker questioned the idea of unity, questioned the orders of Lotus. He saw her as a tyrant opposing the freedoms of every human, and left her and the other Tenno, deeming them unable to be saved. He watched as the Tenno fought and killed, killing individuals of importance and rescued supporters. He knew who was who, and determined that slaying the heroes, Tenno who had slain powerful figures in open combat, would make the Tenno less willing to fight, He is merciless and unwavering in his goals, killing those who he deemed 'Heroes of Tenno' to avenge the figures, and cause the Tenno to lose hope in listening to Lotus.

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    • Perhaps she's not a she at all, but a personification of he Tenno's Hivemind (think Halo). This would explain comments that Tennos have no eyes (Alad V), are made of metal (Sargas Ruk), and are related to the Infested (both Golems). Perhaps the Tenno were the realisation of the Orokins quest for a weapon to destroy the sentients - the perfected technocyte virus...

        

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    • Don't know if it has been posted b4 (and i apologise if it has) but i personally think Lotus is the last living orokin and that is why she has a strong connection to all tenno, and also in the latest avatar icon created for U11 you can see that her suit includes some sort of orokin tech.

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    • The lotus symbol appears many times, atmost a decoration. The lotus could be from the Orokin era, and the sole survivor, and a symbol or icon, like a princess or queen, and those symbolic people can represent a number of things, like the lotus (Beauty, Love, Spirit, etc). Also with the advanced tech of the Lotus, she could be very old, and with the Tenno, she has a hand in the power struggle, the Tenno have no recolition of the Orokin era, so as far as it goes, their weapons.

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    • I thought I'd just point something out. Warframe, Is Dark Sector's Sequel, and The "First Ever Warframe Made", I.E. Nemisis, a Boss, has the lotus symbol on her shoulder. In other words, The Lotus could be a Agency A.I.

      That's Big.

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    • Um.  Ok.  I didnt know anything about Dark Sector before Warframe.  After watching the DS PS4 Trailer here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nl8890-C2w one cant ignore the similarities.

      The main character's name is Hayden Tenno.  He wears an early version of the Excalibur warframe.  It has some powers, but is simply a suit... like the suit in Crysis.  Hayden's suit has the Lotus symbol on it's shoulder and his hand has a glowing lotus power symbol as well... this one appears to be weaponized. 

      Hayden refers to there being "Greneer marines all over the place" and the marines have Greneer faceplate with the glowing eyes.  Their guns are very similar to the base gun in WF.

      For both the Greneer and the Tenno suits the wearer's body does not need to be modified in any way and both face masks drop to reveal a human face.

      One of the Greener mechs is very similar to the Jackal.  There appear to be Corpus suits hanging in the docking bay/engineering area also.

      FInally the ship Hayden's girlfriend/ally is flying to rescue him has the classic Tenno exit body cutout/depression and it has the same overall Stingray shape to her ship too. 

      So... OK, maybe DE claims that Warframe is not purely a "sequel", but the design holdovers are just so damed clear.  I mean the names are the SAME... there are Greneer marines all over the place.  So, one has to wonder how much plot carried over.

      I feel a strong desire to try that game.  Anyone know if it is any good?  Compared to WF? 

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    • 70.98.37.186 wrote:
      Um.  Ok.  I didnt know anything about Dark Sector before Warframe.  After watching the DS PS4 Trailer here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nl8890-C2w one cant ignore the similarities.

      The main character's name is Hayden Tenno.  He wears an early version of the Excalibur warframe.  It has some powers, but is simply a suit... like the suit in Crysis.  Hayden's suit has the Lotus symbol on it's shoulder and his hand has a glowing lotus power symbol as well... this one appears to be weaponized. 

      Hayden refers to there being "Greneer marines all over the place" and the marines have Greneer faceplate with the glowing eyes.  Their guns are very similar to the base gun in WF.

      For both the Greneer and the Tenno suits the wearer's body does not need to be modified in any way and both face masks drop to reveal a human face.

      One of the Greener mechs is very similar to the Jackal.  There appear to be Corpus suits hanging in the docking bay/engineering area also.

      FInally the ship Hayden's girlfriend/ally is flying to rescue him has the classic Tenno exit body cutout/depression and it has the same overall Stingray shape to her ship too. 

      So... OK, maybe DE claims that Warframe is not purely a "sequel", but the design holdovers are just so damed clear.  I mean the names are the SAME... there are Greneer marines all over the place.  So, one has to wonder how much plot carried over.

      I feel a strong desire to try that game.  Anyone know if it is any good?  Compared to WF? 

      so true! it looks like a bad graphics version of warframe!

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    • my theory is that the lotus is a part of this giant rebellion going on, and she is the one who is supposed to help the tenno on their missions and recover orokin tech. to prove this, think about it. when was the last time someone took over a giant empire by desroying generators and stabbing important people in the face over and over again?


      NEVER.


      so there must be a rebellion army that is taking advatage of those new weak points.

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    • this is also one of the reasons this is a good game,



      it explains absolutly NOTHING!!!! you just have to figure it out for yourself through the beutiful and well designed levels and map tiles.

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    • Holy conspiracy theories batman.

      Meh, my thought of the matter is the Lotus (organization) was set up as temporary guardians until the Tenno were awakened. Then, the Lotus, reminiscent of the Technocyte days, assisted the Tenno in their duty. The Stalker, who in earlier times was using a Braton Vandal, which was Lotus marked, was a Tenno who rebelled against the system and took up a mercenary idealism, fighting for an unknown entity, which seems to profit from the chaos. Might be Orokin. Who knows? In that way, the woman we know as Lotus may very well be the Lotus in its entirety. She could've been infected with the technocyte virus just like the Tenno could've been, but she was one who was granted immortality etc. I highly doubt that she's an AI, as in the new Alad V + Zanuka mission, she gets quite a bit of a 'tude going. I assume that's because she herself is a Tenno who has seen what her people go through, and she's angered by the disgraces against her own people. It'd be more logical than saying it's an AI with a personality disorder. 

      tl;dr Lotus gets ticked when the Tenno are oppressed, she runs the Tenno operations, she shows desperation if a Tenno's life is in danger, and so forth. Probably fully related to the Tenno, if not by blood, by relation. 

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    • Has anyone looked at the Stalker's codex entry? I couldn't believe what I was reading, you guys should check it out.

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    • I love all the "Tenno are EVIL" theories. Like the Corpus and Grineer a bunch of sweethearts.

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    • There's still a lot of questions to answer in this game:

      Though it may seem that the Tenno are bad, why are they now balancing the system's dominance?

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    • they were altered by the void into what they are now, and the orokin build warframes around them, and trained them in the art of "gun and blade". they were soldiers, molded like putty into killing machines, even more powerful then the sentients, even more powerful then the orokin themselves (in a way). think of them as war vets. the only thing they know is using violence to perfect their art of blade and gun.

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    • This is not about "We are the good guys, they are the bad guys, we kill the badies and we are heroes, end of the story" , this game seems to be chosing between the lesser evil and the greater evil.

      The Stalker is seeking the Tenno to kill them. Aswered, we betrayed the Orokin, and he was one of their guardians.

      We betrayed the Orokin. Why?

      Lotus only NOW chose to wake us. Why?

      The greater the Orokin became, the more powerfull the Sentients became. Why?

      Will we find out the story of how the Grineer became what they are today? Same for the Corpus.

      When will Vor's Prize be ready? What will that Episode reveal?

      Will we stay loyal to Lotus if/when we find the hole truth?

      Will Lotus have a definitive voice?

      There are a lot of questions of why thing are the  way they are now, but the Stalker's codex entry aswered questions, but brought more of them. And we still have more that are not aswered.

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    • Juncboks wrote:
      Honestly, the most likely senario is that she is in fact, an AI. An AI that has monitored the state of the area and waited for the appropriate time to fulfill her duty. Her Duty being the future of the Tenno. The Grineer are the faction in the area where you start, not the Corpus. The Grineer are there specifically to ensure control against a Tenno uprising. (that's actual game lore from the beginning of the game :P) The Tenno went into stasis a long time ago for reasons I am unclear about. It would only be logical that they, with their advanced technology, would set up an AI to guide and ensure the safety and future of the Tenno. These other Factions seek to destroy the Tenno each for different reasons and the Lotus is simply following her programming, eliminating hostilities and setting up political standings (Politics are proven by Councilor Vey Hek mission). No tyranny, no evil, survival programming. Lotus is establishing a place for the Tenno amongst many evils. The Grineer are simply conquest obsessed, Corpus see the Tenno as an incursion of profit, Infested seek to consume the Tenno and make them infested as well, since that is simply what the infested are; infested Corpus, Grineer, and other such things.


      Well said though not 100% behind the AI theory. If I had to guess at anything I'd assume the Lotus isn't one person, it's a metaphor or way of life for the Tenno. The person you talk to is more of a conduit or acolyte of that teaching. After checking out DE's Dark Sector I recall there being a mild reference to the Lotus. I think it was something like 'follow the lotus' or something to that effect which would give rise to that. Couple that with:

      - Dark Sector's MC being called 'Hayden Tenno'

      - Hayden Tenno's suit is the mirror image of Excalibur

      - Excalbur's codex entry in a roundabout way states the Tenno are 'infected' and given suits so they may turn their curse into a gift

      - Dark Sector's plot had Hayden trying to stop an outbreak of the Technocyte virus, becoming infected himself and essentially the virus turns him from heartless killer into a hero

      - "Excalbur was the first"

      As to faction origins; my guess would be after the Technocyte virus spread you had barriers rapidly break down between nations - general all out war and then a reformation of groups with different outlooks. Grineer being those dependant on an empirical militant structure putting cloning into effect to churn out 'the best of the best' as the military likes to put it. The pencil pushers, merchants and all around snakes being the Corpus to run an effective economy while turning their dependence on monetary gain into a religion. Then there's the infested who strike me as a mutation of the Technocyte virus or possibly those who could not evolve as the Tenno did.

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    • 89.168.80.151 wrote:

      Well said though not 100% behind the AI theory. If I had to guess at anything I'd assume the Lotus isn't one person, it's a metaphor or way of life for the Tenno. The person you talk to is more of a conduit or acolyte of that teaching. After checking out DE's Dark Sector I recall there being a mild reference to the Lotus. I think it was something like 'follow the lotus' or something to that effect which would give rise to that. Couple that with:

      - Dark Sector's MC being called 'Hayden Tenno'

      - Hayden Tenno's suit is the mirror image of Excalibur

      - Excalbur's codex entry in a roundabout way states the Tenno are 'infected' and given suits so they may turn their curse into a gift

      - Dark Sector's plot had Hayden trying to stop an outbreak of the Technocyte virus, becoming infected himself and essentially the virus turns him from heartless killer into a hero

      - "Excalbur was the first"

      As to faction origins; my guess would be after the Technocyte virus spread you had barriers rapidly break down between nations - general all out war and then a reformation of groups with different outlooks. Grineer being those dependant on an empirical militant structure putting cloning into effect to churn out 'the best of the best' as the military likes to put it. The pencil pushers, merchants and all around snakes being the Corpus to run an effective economy while turning their dependence on monetary gain into a religion. Then there's the infested who strike me as a mutation of the Technocyte virus or possibly those who could not evolve as the Tenno did.


      Interesting but it still doesn't explain how the Orokin got the Tenno from the Void...

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    • Firstly the virus is probably the technocyte virus left to mature and evolve over however long it was, The original technocyte virus left untreated would cause further mutations, which is what the infested could be the result of. Furthermore, The tenno, who are probably sruvivors of this evolution of infection, might have thier memories erased on a physical and genetic scale so regaining memories could be impossible, Lotus is an organization as stated by the lotus avatar who is most likely just an intelegence officer or ai as proved by the quote "Good work Tenno, the Lotus will be pleased." or  "Death to the Lotus!" The tenno are also part of the original orokin, where most of the tenno gear come from and why you get them in the void. Much could be said about the infected and the orokin but it's a long topic, the grineer corpus and infested most likely stem originally from humans as they have similar features with different outlook, the grineer through extensive modification and cloning have basically evolved into a different species and the corpus are likley to be bio organic similar to the tenno, thier relation though not revealed could be while they call the tenno traitors. The tenno are originally infected with the virus and thier frames are built to make use of that, as stated in the lore btw. It could be that the warframe is used to channel the abilities of the tenno aswell.

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    • Personally, what I think, is this:

      A long time ago, there was the Orokin. They were very technologically advanced, and proceeded to invent new weapons and other things at a very rapid rate. The Orokin eventually realized, in order to keep the race in order, they must enforce what should not be created, and supress it, so it would not harm them. They created... The Corrupted. They went to other planets and collected the pitiful, primitive Grineer race. They implanted them with a control module, and ran tests. Immediately, the test subject shed it's primitive and barbaric actions, and followed every order given to it. They realized this was what they needed to police their race, and make sure that their fellow Orokin would stay in line. They began producing the Corrupted, not hindered by population decrease in the Grineer, because of their primitive cloning technology. The Orokin realized there were other races also, and used the Corpus as well. Both the Grineer and the Corpus tried to get their people back, but in vain. The Corrupted were too powerful, too far gone, and so they gave up. What swayed them to do this, is because the more soldiers they ordered in, the bigger the Corrupted became. The Orokin were very pleased with their invention, and wanted to make them even more powerful. They reverse-engineered the shield drones they captured from the Corpus, and re-programmed them, and changed their shells, to be more resilliant to more incursions from their foes. Some Orokin scientists realized what was happening. They remembered how the previous race, the Homo-Sapien-Sapiens that were the previous race on the planet earth, advanced too quickly, too corrupted by power and currency, turned on each other, and almost ended the world, but created the Grineer and the Corpus. It was almost as if the Human concience had split into two. The lust for power and vast armies were passed onto the Grineer, and the creativity, lust for credits, and technological advancement were passed onto the Corpus. The Grineer hated anyone different from themselves, and the Corpus believe only in profit. The Orokin scientists and historians soon realized that their race too might give birth to an even more deadly and power hungry race than what the Humans created. The Scientists tried to stop the Corrupted, but they were too late. The Corrupted had numbers half that of the Orokin's own race. The Scientists were killed in the process, and, believing that now the Orokin were the enemy, exterminated all life on the derelicts. The Orokin that did get away were met with a horrifying sight. The planet Europa, was being over run by the once Corrupted. They gave a new name to this mutated being. The infested. The infested began to take over the derelicts, which were once home to the exploring and curious Orokin. The Orokin did not realize that on one derelict, when the revolt of the Corrupted began, it was transmitted to other derelict ships, eventually reaching the void. All void ships now, are barren of life. The Orokin's secrets, yet to be reavealed. A new race, still in it's infancy is beginning. It is called the Tenno. Once, when the suits were created, the empire far away was protected by this new technology. They used fragmented Orokin technology, found from derelict towers in other planets. They defeated a great enemy, helped by the Tenno. The emperor's protector known then as Aruktahn Markoh was wandering the halls, and overheard the tenno chirruping to each other. -=+--=/ -=\]{. {Tonight, we take the life of the emperor?} {Yes. Tonight.} Aruktahn Markoh ran to the emperor's chambers, and at dawn he arrived. He warned the emperor of the assassination, but the emperor thought that Aruktahn was just envious of their victory when he was not there to fight for them. Crestfallen, he went to the ceremony and watched them be celebrated. As each drum sounded, Aruktahn's throat constricted more and more with fear. They were to be given ten beats, globally. He watched, terrified, as the Tenno were poised to attack, just as he heard. On the ninth beat, the drums were silenced. Blood was loosened by Tenno blades, and everyone fell to the ground, dead. Aruktahn ran away, now to be called by a new name. The Stalker. He would get revenge on the Tenno for killing everyone in the empire. He hid, forged great and powerful weapons, and set out to assassinate each and every Tenno. They would pay. They would all pay. The Lotus, unaware of their crime, opened up the Tenno's cryopods, before the Grineer could have them. The Tenno were released. Unreliable, but tameable. She saved the first Tenno, Excalibur, and Excalibur set off to meet the Lotus at her compound. It has begun.


      Tell me if you enjoyed my lore for it, and see how many references you can find in it! ;) Reply with a list of the Show/Movie/Etc. Name of the reference!

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    • The Lotus might be a scientist who know how to used the orokin tech and when she notice that the grineer steped outta line and who wanted control she purged the tenno to stop the grineer and the corpus of there evil intentions

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    • you guys need to read patch notes and stuff. Lotus is 1 person. She use to vary between saying "The Lotus will be please." and "I am pleased." after rescue missions, they removed the quote "the lotus will be pelase." because they wanted us to know that she is our caretacker. The stalker use to be an orokin. If you read his codex entry, he was there when the orokin empire fell, he was there when we (the tenno) killed the Orokin, that is what his codex entry says. The stalkers, imo, are just like us. They are Tenno, with the only difference that they remember what happened to the Orokin, they never went into a sleep that wiped their memories. So they hunt us down to kill us for what we did. The corrupted are not ome magical race created by the orokin directly, if you read the story behind the corrupted, they are mind controlled by the very orokin towers that they are inside of. The orokin predate the Corpus and the Grineer by a lot, that is always made pretty clear. They evolved individually from the control of the Orokin, the main thing to show you that is the fact that all their tech and architecture has no resemblance in any way to that of Orokin. As for the corrupted, they were an accident created by the Orokin during a way. A virus that went rampant and they tried to kill it after it did it's job, which was to kill some enemy the Orokin had. The virus just mutated and evolved and eventually infected the modern day races. It can be assumed that what continued to carry the virus was the Tenno themselves since J3 Golem would say that we were made of the same flesh, so it can be that the Orokin created the Tenno and the virus. And we were created to fight the virus which explains why we see no curropted tenno running around. Stop saying that Lotus is an organization though, please you look stupid. She is 1 person that we know nothing about except that she revived us and she gives us missions with 1 sole purpose. To bring peace to the system. We will find out what she wants, who she is and what we are. That is the main thing, who the fuck cares who Lotus is. What really matters is who we are and why the stalker says that we killed the Orokin.

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    • Don’t know if it has been said before, but what if she was an emergency A.I. designed to activate should some sort of events caused the fall of the orokins. They would have designed her so that upon activation, she would observer the solar system, judge what condition it was in, and then took the appropriate action. The tenno would have been in put in stasis both to protect them from the event, and so that Lotus would have the tools necessary to reclaim the system in the event of a hostile empire occupying the system, like the grineer and corpus. please forgive my spelling

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    • hahaha if you guys just contributed this in to studies instead you guys could be rich in the future

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    • Here guys i found this on one of the pages and this could solve all of your problems

         Tenno: The word Tenno is based off the protagonist of Dark Sector's name, Hayden Tenno.
         Excalibur: Around midgame of Dark Sector the player will obtain a power suit/Warframe that looks simliar to the Excalibur frame.
         Nyx: Nadia Sudek/Nemesis, the one who infected Hayden Tenno in the first place, used a power suit/Warframe that has a Nyx looking helmet.
         Infested: The Technocyte Virus is the virus that plays a big part of the game and is was Hayden is infected with, this is the same virus that make the infested. 
         Glaive: The Glaive is a weapon commonly used in Dark Sector alongside Hayden Tenno's sidearm. It is created with his infected arm and obtains upgrades regularly throughout the game.
         Grineer: The Grineer are present in the 8 minute trailer of Dark Sector as an enemy. While not in the game the Lasrian Troopers look similar to them
         Jackal: A mecha enemy in Dark Sector that looks like the Jackal on Venus.
         End-Mission Animation: In the trailer Hayden Tenno is seen stepping into the dropship the exact same way a warframe would. Not only this but the room is exactly the same and also features the hanging Corpus suits in the background.
         Lotus: The Lotus symbol is seen throughout Dark Sector even in the name. It is also the games icon and in game organization.
         Burston: The Grineer used this rifle in the 2004 trailer again not actually in the game.
         Orokin era: The era started by Hayden Tenno.
         Warframes: It's said that Hayden founded the Tenno and their Warframe.
         Solar rails: Mentioned by Hayden.
         Lotus Quote: Somethings Hayden say are also thing the Lotus will say IE. there are grineer marines everywhere.
         Tenka 9mm: A pistol, one of Haydens main weapons it is seen in some mission levels. 
      

      Here is the Link http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Dark_Sector_Reference

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    • So i guess thats what they mean when the grinner were cloning themselfs they got more deformed and a little more stupid each time they did it. Interesting it also said that Lotus It is has an IN GAME ORGANIZATION so maybe the Lotus is a organization and it still exist which means that while the lotus is an AI that doesn't mean its an AI only. I wonder how long as the Orokin era before it ended and I wish we had a timeline for this.

      Stalker on the other hand is what i believe to be a Tenno like us but since it said that he didn't sleep in a cyro pod and for an unknown time (or maybe a certain time) he survived which proved all warframes to be ageless. So mean that we are all ageless and above me the Lotus which are even an organization I suggest that the warframes which are infected where infact ordered buy the Lotus to eliminate certain people in Dark Sector to get what was needed but some warframes did not agree to this and therefore became stalkers seeking justice for what we have done wrong (even though we had erased our memories or maybe the Lotus did it) that means if the stalker is on the road to avenge the wrong doings that have no memory of doing I wonder what the stalkers have been doing between the gaps of Dark Sector and Warframe if they havn't been sleeping have they been waiting or preparing for us to awake? Anyway thats my Theory thanks for reading it and im off to doing other stuff

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    • Going waaaay back where Achyron posted about that strange artifact, in the codex says that Frost Prime has some special reactions with some orokin tech. So, i think something might happen if a frost prime approaches to it, or its just with prme weapons?

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    • 186.13.1.98 wrote:
      Going waaaay back where Achyron posted about that strange artifact, in the codex says that Frost Prime has some special reactions with some orokin tech. So, i think something might happen if a frost prime approaches to it, or its just with prme weapons?

      lol this was quite long ago XD

      Here: "One unique feature of the Orokin Void is that Prime Warframes will cause the box traps to emit a wave of energy that will grant 100 energy to all frames within 30 meters. This may only happen once per trap."

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    • well guys it's been a while but i return to the land of forums from a long warframe and blacklight retribution spree.. anyhow after scanning the stalker for the 24th time the other day i got his lore "HALLELUIA" and as it turns out.....the orokin are gone for good.. so the lotus isn't an orokin.. secondly.....we killed the orokin....so yeeerrr... if you want proof on this go to the stalker page on ths wiki and read the law. or you can scan him 24 times and read it on warframe.

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      well guys it's been a while but i return to the land of forums from a long warframe and blacklight retribution spree.. anyhow after scanning the stalker for the 24th time the other day i got his lore "HALLELUIA" and as it turns out.....the orokin are gone for good.. so the lotus isn't an orokin.. secondly.....we killed the orokin....so yeeerrr... if you want proof on this go to the stalker page on ths wiki and read the law. or you can scan him 24 times and read it on the warframe.

      Can you point me where you found the evidence or could you explain it too me since i am a little confused i mean why would we possibly kill Hayden Tenno the person who founded the warframes we use and founded the tenno after his name i mean he is the reason the orokin era exist as well

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    • There should be an orokin archive where we could collect any piece of information about how we got into cryo and how did we ended like that, why  we killed the orokin and a bit of who really is Lotus and how did the Stalker got that warframe. 

      If you are thinking: ´where will we get that?´, it should be a reward in any Suivrval Void key

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    • Uh... we have the codex... maybe the Stalker Entry?

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    • She might be, stalker had weapons like schindo and the braton vandal had a lotus symbol on it.

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    • I wrote:
      There should be an orokin archive where we could collect any piece of information about how we got into cryo and how did we ended like that, why  we killed the orokin and a bit of who really is Lotus and how did the Stalker got that warframe. 

      If you are thinking: ´where will we get that?´, it should be a reward in any Suivrval Void key

      i meant of having kind of a history behind everything, every faction and characters. Kind of a history book, with some ilustrations, notes and models of important characters of the Orokin era. Not the codex, something different.

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      well guys it's been a while but i return to the land of forums from a long warframe and blacklight retribution spree.. anyhow after scanning the stalker for the 24th time the other day i got his lore "HALLELUIA" and as it turns out.....the orokin are gone for good.. so the lotus isn't an orokin.. secondly.....we killed the orokin....so yeeerrr... if you want proof on this go to the stalker page on ths wiki and read the law. or you can scan him 24 times and read it on warframe.

      Orokin may be gone, but that doesn't mean Lotus is not a beign created by the Orokin. All frames have lotus symbol on them, and you can see that symbol in the tutorial when excalibur gets out of the pod meaning that is has been there before the Tenno went to sleep. My train of thoughts that Lotus probably betrayed the Orokin for reasons unknown in the past, and as she was probably was the leader for the Tenno, she had them to help her.

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    • 108.22.234.56 wrote:
      She might be, stalker had weapons like schindo and the braton vandal had a lotus symbol on it.


      Wow Stalker hasn't had Braton Vandal for a long time now :p They were probably just place holders until DE came up with a better weapon set i.e. Dread, Despair, Hate.

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    • 173.172.129.209 wrote:
      Here guys i found this on one of the pages and this could solve all of your problems Tenno: The word Tenno is based off the protagonist of Dark Sector's name, Hayden Tenno. Excalibur: Around midgame of Dark Sector the player will obtain a power suit/Warframe that looks simliar to the Excalibur frame.
         Nyx: Nadia Sudek/Nemesis, the one who infected Hayden Tenno in the first place, used a power suit/Warframe that has a Nyx looking helmet.
         Infested: The Technocyte Virus is the virus that plays a big part of the game and is was Hayden is infected with, this is the same virus that make the infested. 
         Glaive: The Glaive is a weapon commonly used in Dark Sector alongside Hayden Tenno's sidearm. It is created with his infected arm and obtains upgrades regularly throughout the game.
         Grineer: The Grineer are present in the 8 minute trailer of Dark Sector as an enemy. While not in the game the Lasrian Troopers look similar to them
         Jackal: A mecha enemy in Dark Sector that looks like the Jackal on Venus.
         End-Mission Animation: In the trailer Hayden Tenno is seen stepping into the dropship the exact same way a warframe would. Not only this but the room is exactly the same and also features the hanging Corpus suits in the background.
         Lotus: The Lotus symbol is seen throughout Dark Sector even in the name. It is also the games icon and in game organization.
         Burston: The Grineer used this rifle in the 2004 trailer again not actually in the game.
         Orokin era: The era started by Hayden Tenno.
         Warframes: It's said that Hayden founded the Tenno and their Warframe.
         Solar rails: Mentioned by Hayden.
         Lotus Quote: Somethings Hayden say are also thing the Lotus will say IE. there are grineer marines everywhere.
         Tenka 9mm: A pistol, one of Haydens main weapons it is seen in some mission levels.
      

      Here is the Link http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Dark_Sector_Reference

      Just watched the trailer (8 min one) and though a few very interesting things.

      1: At the begining, the stalkers voice can be heard

      2: When hayden attacked, he first took out the lights, making them flicker

      3: Stalker sound heard again at 5:59 mark, when hayden attacks the Jackle-like machine with his glove.

      4: Hayden is infected with the technocyte virus, which takes over organic matter, and stalker's helmet looks very organic. Especially since hayden can retract his helmet, what if (if he is stalker) that isn't a helmet, but his head had been taken over and mutated...

      Anyways, Hayden Tenno has to be the stalker, it all points to him.

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    • "I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians."

      Who are the low guardians? That means that there are other stalkers?

      And about this: "Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day."

      It also proves that there are others like him but if he was "awake" during our cryo, he could have just killed us (i mean the Tenno). but, you know, there couldn´t be a plot for the game or enemies if he just made everything so easy.

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    • Anyways, Hayden Tenno has to be the stalker, it all points to him.

      So, what's his recipe for immortality? Dark Sector is like quite a long time before the Orokin Era, not to mention the current story.

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    • Azure Ryu wrote:
      Anyways, Hayden Tenno has to be the stalker, it all points to him.
      So, what's his recipe for immortality? Dark Sector is like quite a long time before the Orokin Era, not to mention the current story.

      He was inflicted with the T-virus yes? And we have ancient infested yes? If the infested are T-virus gone bad and Tenno T-virus survivors it wouldn't be too far fetched that Hayden survived with the technocyte plague being his recipe for immortality. It even tells us in game that phorid and j3-golem are REAAAALLLY old.

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    • Azure Ryu wrote:
      Anyways, Hayden Tenno has to be the stalker, it all points to him.

      So, what's his recipe for immortality? Dark Sector is like quite a long time before the Orokin Era, not to mention the current story.


      The technocyte virus, as if he had been infected as I said, he would live for a very very (you get the point) long time. When you do a Orokin derelict assasination next, listen to whan the lotus says about Lephantis. It is very old, so old it was created in the orokin era to fight, whos to say the same can't happen to Hayden.

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    • Are the Ancients the Sentients? because they do not have any similar anatomy to the other factions.

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    • So I don't really have the BEST theory planned out yet, but here is a cool fanfic on Lotus having an ulterior motive and stuff. Its called " Ruse Of The Lotus" and it is very interesting. NO SPOILERS THOUGH!!



      Written by Avarcaness and I take no credit what so ever for it.

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    • 86.152.13.129 wrote:
      But what of Stalker? We know as much about him as we do about Lotus: Not a lot. For all we know, Stalker could be working for (or leading) a faction of rogue Tenno with Lotus as a double agent, perhaps?

      If you have scanned the stalker it explains a little bit about him, and that he is like an evil person, he feels we are being bad, therefore he kills us, or tries to.

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    • 184.77.235.97 wrote:
      86.152.13.129 wrote:
      But what of Stalker? We know as much about him as we do about Lotus: Not a lot. For all we know, Stalker could be working for (or leading) a faction of rogue Tenno with Lotus as a double agent, perhaps?
      If you have scanned the stalker it explains a little bit about him, and that he is like an evil person, he feels we are being bad, therefore he kills us, or tries to.

      "Tries to", is certainly correct! Maybe this is being looked at the wrong way. I could see where you guys would think of him as working with lotus, but what I think is that Stalker, and lotus obviously, were awake and there for whatever happened in the cryosleep of the Tenno. Maybe there was some significant event that led Lotus into some thought out plan to gain power and political standing. And Stalker could be trying to prevent this from happening. And I'm pretty sure the Tenno would listen to Lotus over Stalker, so the only way he can stop them is with violence.

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    • RedDrago9 wrote:
      Azure Ryu wrote:
      Anyways, Hayden Tenno has to be the stalker, it all points to him.
      So, what's his recipe for immortality? Dark Sector is like quite a long time before the Orokin Era, not to mention the current story.

      The technocyte virus, as if he had been infected as I said, he would live for a very very (you get the point) long time. When you do a Orokin derelict assasination next, listen to whan the lotus says about Lephantis. It is very old, so old it was created in the orokin era to fight, whos to say the same can't happen to Hayden.

      Not sure how fast the virus infects, but afaik Hayden ended only with his right arm getting infested, and since Stalker isn't showing any infested parts I'm pretty sure hes not Hayden. Tenno are people that have some affiliation with the virus no? However they would probably still die of age - else why would they go into cryo sleep and risk getting killed while asleep? Since Hayden is much like Tenno I think it is safe to assume that he also died.

      As for the Lotus, maybe she is just the current leader of normal humans who somehow escaped the infestation? We call the symbol a "Lotus symbol" but perhaps it has it's own name, unrevealed at this time(like the name of the faction the Lotus is leading). People that are rescued on rescue missions don't look like much like a Tenno, and still they have the symbol on their suits. If the Tenno accidentally met these people during the Orokin Era then imho it would make a bit of sense - for example give reason to the Tenno slaughtering the Orokin(ie they defeated the sentients and then killed the orokin to make place for those humans). Also the world after the war of two heavily advanced races would probably be a wasteland - hence the cryosleep?

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    • Hearing Van Hek or whatever his name is, call the Tenno, Corpus machines, because all they search for is treasures, makes me think of some corruption in the lotus.

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    • Maybe the loutas is a ai built into the warframes

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    • i had not thought of that, but now that you metion it, it would make a lot of sence

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    • the tenno are humans with a virus like hayden tennno in dark sector maybe the  tenno are working for lotus cuz they were manipulated and stalker is hayden and hes trying to remind u you are on the wrong team and u keep shooting at him so he attacks u

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    • what if haydens mutation grew more like u know nightmare from dark sector maybe it turned darker and he gained more power. his glaive maybe evolved into a scythe and more gear grew out of him remembering nightmares/or nadias mutation grew  stronger than ever and hayden is the one whos going through pain because someone injured by infernon from dark sector and his mutation is running wild and he is going through hatred,dread/sadness,and he is dreaded from hid honor

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    • remember tenno are the peacemakers they only slaughter for balance but hayden's infection probably gave him the ability to never grow old like wolverine and he built the empire for the day he falls he will still have balance

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    • I follow the lotus, but I do not trust her, her intentions are clouded by rumor and speculation.

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    • trust nobody^

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    • Lotus isn't just an A.I, you see her at the end of the tutorial: after you are knocked out by captain vor, you can see a character looking very similar to Lotus jump down and land right in front of you, then the scene goes black. But, it is also possible this is the Stalker itself, as the visual of the helmet fits the look of the stalker(glances at you before fighting Vor, probably to make sure you are knocked out)

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    • no dat was ur other fellow tenno

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    • Xrecon1 wrote: no dat was ur other fellow tenno

      There is only one Tenno NPC in the game,the Stalker, and Lotus is the only NPC in game to be on your side(excluding assault missions with corpus and Grineer). And by looking around the tutorial area, it is VERY clear that there is no other cyropods, plus the warframe used by your savior is not accessible to players, having similarities to the Lotus and stalker.

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    • To answer tutorial its Frost, Nix and Ash as in the same in the promo vid amazing how things look when you blackin out

      As for Stalker for the most part even his codex says it out for revenge like the Scorpion you tenno Subzero. All of his quote indicate hes just out for your head not salvation from anything but just to end you for whatever crimes you did. To add a lil more bubble to pot could also be the species of the original stalker from Dark Sector that has evolved. Would also fit more into why tennos did a slaughterfest on them ;P

      As for lotus who knows maybe she worked with corpus to prevent whatever handful of tennos and workers she originally had to work with from falling prey to grineer, would explain why grineer and corpus seem on equal footing in solar control <.<

      Then again maybe she's a corpus A.I. created to oversee the tennos then she went rogue and form her own organization the tenno she had at the time. Would fit the reason they call them traitors etc. but whatever they were with corpus at one point that we are certain on.

      Add more to the pot look corpus A.I. they seem quite advance yet almost limited as if they're bein held back in some way, the a.i. seem wise enough know how survive yet they hold back O.O  jk on this part :P

      But one thing were are certain on is corpus and tenno were close at one point who knows maybe the tenno were hired alot corpus I mean the suit bstard are loaded with credit just pop one and see :P

      Anyway in short stalker is no friend that is 100% certain he only seeks vengence and looking a good reason to justify it. Corpus and had close relationship at one point be it business or tools we know they were close. As for Lotus who knows she could be an A.I. or a person who just seeks to stabalize the system, who know, either we can all agree on one thing with her and her mystery.. its that shes hot that is all.


      -Armage-

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    • 72.252.225.224 wrote:
      To answer tutorial its Frost, Nix and Ash as in the same in the promo vid amazing how things look when you blackin out

      As for Stalker for the most part even his codex says it out for revenge like the Scorpion you tenno Subzero. All of his quote indicate hes just out for your head not salvation from anything but just to end you for whatever crimes you did. To add a lil more bubble to pot could also be the species of the original stalker from Dark Sector that has evolved. Would also fit more into why tennos did a slaughterfest on them ;P

      As for lotus who knows maybe she worked with corpus to prevent whatever handful of tennos and workers she originally had to work with from falling prey to grineer, would explain why grineer and corpus seem on equal footing in solar control <.<

      Then again maybe she's a corpus A.I. created to oversee the tennos then she went rogue and form her own organization the tenno she had at the time. Would fit the reason they call them traitors etc. but whatever they were with corpus at one point that we are certain on.

      Add more to the pot look corpus A.I. they seem quite advance yet almost limited as if they're bein held back in some way, the a.i. seem wise enough know how survive yet they hold back O.O  jk on this part :P

      But one thing were are certain on is corpus and tenno were close at one point who knows maybe the tenno were hired alot corpus I mean the suit bstard are loaded with credit just pop one and see :P

      Anyway in short stalker is no friend that is 100% certain he only seeks vengence and looking a good reason to justify it. Corpus and had close relationship at one point be it business or tools we know they were close. As for Lotus who knows she could be an A.I. or a person who just seeks to stabalize the system, who know, either we can all agree on one thing with her and her mystery.. its that shes hot that is all.


      -Armage-

      oh word then the stalker evolved into tenno and now he got new weapons and hes still trying to kill u

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    • -Lotus is definitely not an AI. She said she managed to create the dragon keys by using ferrite or whatever. If she's an AI she wouldn't boast about it. Why would an AI need a physical body anyway.

      -Imo, tenno is more like a spirit or a ghost. And the orokin managed to build a frame around it. like the lore of excalibur said. And that vor can find nothing inside of the warframe he found. well, nevermind. I forgot we can bleed from slash damage.

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    • 118.137.210.242 wrote:
      well, nevermind. I forgot we can bleed from slash damage.

      In this game robots bleed too...

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    • 118.137.210.242 wrote:
      -Lotus is definitely not an AI. She said she managed to create the dragon keys by using ferrite or whatever. If she's an AI she wouldn't boast about it. Why would an AI need a physical body anyway.

      -Imo, tenno is more like a spirit or a ghost. And the orokin managed to build a frame around it. like the lore of excalibur said. And that vor can find nothing inside of the warframe he found. well, nevermind. I forgot we can bleed from slash damage.

      Lol not all A.I. are stiffs in many cases they are made to be more alive than we are and creating dragon keys doesnt mean they cant be an A.I. :P

      All that required to create the keys its the material and an understanding as to how to create them and how to they will be utitilze.

      As for tenno, no they organic or so a line in the message from vor to the queens in event codex says alot (Arid Fear: Victory)

      "Every time we tear a Tenno corpse from its metal womb we find nothing to explain their power. Our warframe engineers gesture wildly about nanotechnolgy, how reactive dissolution hides the answers. What if the warframes are just lightning rods? A conduit for these demons of the voids? Consider how it could change our plans."

      To me that suggest that there are people but along the lines of mutants or people with special abilities due to their exposure to the void. A earlier line in the same event codex states that the corpus were blind to the tenno's connection to the void.

      Sorry if it comes off a way just trying keep the lore from becoming too lost in translation o.o;

      Blame Metroid Prime it taught us to piece together broken lores to make some sense in a less broken way Dx

      -Armage-

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    • "We took the twisted few that had returned from that place. We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction."

      It's likely that each tenno have specific 'abilities' from the void that let it use certain warframe suits.

      As for Lotus, until they reveal her model in game, we can't know for sure whether or not she's just a.i. She might even be an a.i. uploaded into the body of a tenno/human as a vessel for all we know.

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    • Alright i read about as much of this wall as i could xD and this is what my opinion is:

      back in the orokin age, the Sentients or titled that were found/seen and after awhile a war started between them, after a losing streak agenst sentients the orokins made warframes to combat the problem of their losing, then the t-virus came, and started to infect both sides, then the "lotus" was put in charge to lead the warframes and keep them in check, after the infection had been pushed back, the sentients and orokin's made peace, buttt like it says in stalkers codex, suddenly the tenno kill everything, either from lotus corrupting them or just peace wasn't really in mind and the stalker saw this, thus is why he hunts you, (also one of his messages is (Player's name), you can't run from your past, however this could just be talking about the boss you killed,) and maybe the infected came back and attacked the orokins once more, but this time they couldn't fight it and were overrun to fast, so they put all their tenno into a cryosleep and awaken them later when the infection had either died or moved on which probably didn't go to plan cause the now 2 new factions had come up grineer/corpus and they had found out about tenno's and their fancy armour, which forced the lotus to start to recover the tenno and awake them from cryosleep,  "i know this doesn't fit in with some of the stuff, mainly ingame quoets that disprove some of this*  side plot : lotus was working with agenst the tenno to find them and hand them in which would fit  "she is a traiter"  because after reliesed what the tenno were and what they could do, she/they desided to take control and awake them to try and cure the system of the evil

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    • btw add me on warframe - Mayhemblast

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    • 72.252.225.224 wrote: To answer tutorial its Frost, Nix and Ash as in the same in the promo vid amazing how things look when you blackin out

      As for Stalker for the most part even his codex says it out for revenge like the Scorpion you tenno Subzero. All of his quote indicate hes just out for your head not salvation from anything but just to end you for whatever crimes you did. To add a lil more bubble to pot could also be the species of the original stalker from Dark Sector that has evolved. Would also fit more into why tennos did a slaughterfest on them ;P

      As for lotus who knows maybe she worked with corpus to prevent whatever handful of tennos and workers she originally had to work with from falling prey to grineer, would explain why grineer and corpus seem on equal footing in solar control <.<

      Then again maybe she's a corpus A.I. created to oversee the tennos then she went rogue and form her own organization the tenno she had at the time. Would fit the reason they call them traitors etc. but whatever they were with corpus at one point that we are certain on.

      Add more to the pot look corpus A.I. they seem quite advance yet almost limited as if they're bein held back in some way, the a.i. seem wise enough know how survive yet they hold back O.O  jk on this part :P

      But one thing were are certain on is corpus and tenno were close at one point who knows maybe the tenno were hired alot corpus I mean the suit bstard are loaded with credit just pop one and see :P

      Anyway in short stalker is no friend that is 100% certain he only seeks vengence and looking a good reason to justify it. Corpus and had close relationship at one point be it business or tools we know they were close. As for Lotus who knows she could be an A.I. or a person who just seeks to stabalize the system, who know, either we can all agree on one thing with her and her mystery.. its that shes hot that is all.


      -Armage-

      too dark to be frost. Nyx's helmet looks too retarded(no seriously, WHAT is with that Mohawk!? Really!). Ash is a little darker, but player is blacking out anyway. Probably the ash, but, where'd it come from?
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    • 213.120.55.245 wrote: Alright i read about as much of this wall as i could xD and this is what my opinion is:

      back in the orokin age, the Sentients or titled that were found/seen and after awhile a war started between them, after a losing streak agenst sentients the orokins made warframes to combat the problem of their losing, then the t-virus came, and started to infect both sides, then the "lotus" was put in charge to lead the warframes and keep them in check, after the infection had been pushed back, the sentients and orokin's made peace, buttt like it says in stalkers codex, suddenly the tenno kill everything, either from lotus corrupting them or just peace wasn't really in mind and the stalker saw this, thus is why he hunts you, (also one of his messages is (Player's name), you can't run from your past, however this could just be talking about the boss you killed,) and maybe the infected came back and attacked the orokins once more, but this time they couldn't fight it and were overrun to fast, so they put all their tenno into a cryosleep and awaken them later when the infection had either died or moved on which probably didn't go to plan cause the now 2 new factions had come up grineer/corpus and they had found out about tenno's and their fancy armour, which forced the lotus to start to recover the tenno and awake them from cryosleep,  "i know this doesn't fit in with some of the stuff, mainly ingame quoets that disprove some of this*  side plot : lotus was working with agenst the tenno to find them and hand them in which would fit  "she is a traiter"  because after reliesed what the tenno were and what they could do, she/they desided to take control and awake them to try and cure the system of the evil

      More or less likely, it was the orokin who went corrupt, seen in the orokin areas, forcing Tenno to attack them, leaving them crippled and returning the the void and certain guardians sleeping in cyropods, for immediate return. Remaining humans, naturally, would grow greedy and disrupt the balance, causing the return of Tenno, to stop the corpus and Grineer factions. Also, as for the murders, this could mean two things: Stalker us a hired assassin, or, even more likely, the Stslker is one of the last living orokins, seeking vengeance against the Tenno, using the deaths of bosses as an excuse, to keep Tenno thinking that the Stalker is just an assassin(reason this can't be the truth is because Grineer and Corpus attack the stalker even if they are there for assassination of one of the factions' own bosses.)

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    • Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.

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    • GGGRRRSTAR wrote:
      too dark to be frost. Nyx's helmet looks too retarded(no seriously, WHAT is with that Mohawk!? Really!). Ash is a little darker, but player is blacking out anyway. Probably the ash, but, where'd it come from?


      Everything look darker when you blacking out buts Its all 3 lol frost, nyx and ash I just redid tutorial to see if they change it but no still the trio.

      Where they come from, they flew as usual but vor got there first hence why Lotus was rushing you to be ready and get out before he finds you.

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    • Mdos828 wrote:
      Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.

      A bit of A and a bit B, trying to piece together with what lil info we have, well to be proper..

      with the fragmented Lores we have

      Atleast thats how I see it lol

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    • Armagedius wrote:
      Mdos828 wrote:
      Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.
      A bit of A and a bit B, trying to piece together with what lil info we have, well to be proper..

      with the fragmented Lores we have

      Atleast thats how I see it lol

      Alright, cool. Thanks. If this is so, then it will take me some time to come back with an answer, as I believe I will need all the factual information about Warframe as I can get. This will require some more reasearch to patch things that have been released to the public, together.

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    • Mdos828 wrote:
      Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.


      Uhm well it was supposed to be a thread on 'Lotus' True Intentions' but it deviated a lot from the main topic to cover the more general lore of the game. Not sure if the admins should change the title or something XD

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    • Rhekinos wrote:
      Mdos828 wrote:
      Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.

      Uhm well it was supposed to be a thread on 'Lotus' True Intentions' but it deviated a lot from the main topic to cover the more general lore of the game. Not sure if the admins should change the title or something XD

      Ah. Well, no problem. I'm intrested in the lore as well, so, what I'm going to do should cover that as well. I believe to come closer to a true hypothesis about the lore and 'Lotus', we'll need some in depth research on the games back story to date. Alot of you will think this is useless or think I'm taking this too seriously, but that's fine. I'm doing this to feed my curiosity and to occupy my spare time.

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    • Mdos828 wrote:
      Rhekinos wrote:
      Mdos828 wrote:
      Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.

      Uhm well it was supposed to be a thread on 'Lotus' True Intentions' but it deviated a lot from the main topic to cover the more general lore of the game. Not sure if the admins should change the title or something XD
      Ah. Well, no problem. I'm intrested in the lore as well, so, what I'm going to do should cover that as well. I believe to come closer to a true hypothesis about the lore and 'Lotus', we'll need some in depth research on the games back story to date. Alot of you will think this is useless or think I'm taking this too seriously, but that's fine. I'm doing this to feed my curiosity and to occupy my spare time.


      If you need help there's already a few places on the wikia with compilations of the lore:

      Misdirected's Blog

      and the Story and History section edited by the same person I think.

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    • Rhekinos wrote:
      Mdos828 wrote:
      Rhekinos wrote:
      Mdos828 wrote:
      Before I state any of my beliefs, there is a question I have for all of you, including the Devs. What kind of wall is this? Is it the "legitimately trying to find out the lore" kind of wall? Or is it the "take everything in the imidiate surroundings and form an answer" kind of wall? I need to know to come up with my theory on whats going on.

      Uhm well it was supposed to be a thread on 'Lotus' True Intentions' but it deviated a lot from the main topic to cover the more general lore of the game. Not sure if the admins should change the title or something XD
      Ah. Well, no problem. I'm intrested in the lore as well, so, what I'm going to do should cover that as well. I believe to come closer to a true hypothesis about the lore and 'Lotus', we'll need some in depth research on the games back story to date. Alot of you will think this is useless or think I'm taking this too seriously, but that's fine. I'm doing this to feed my curiosity and to occupy my spare time.

      If you need help there's already a few places on the wikia with compilations of the lore:

      http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Misdirected/Some_Lore_Insight_Which_I_Have_No_Desire_To_Meddle_With_Directly.

      and the Story section edited by the same person I think.

      Thanks!

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    • here's a real mind-blower right here:



      what if...

      she is who she says she is...



      mind = BLOWN

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    • I have a feeling that Lotus really is the good guy. If we are to assume that the 'Sentients' were in fact, human, then the Orokin was waging war against them. Lotus has appeared since Dark Sector so I might assume that Lotus is a secret underground rebel group. During the Old War she became somewhat involved in the battle against the Orokin.

      My theory is that the 'Lotus' (the female lotus head) was Orokin (Maybe a project or an actual Orokin AI) that had somehow switched allegience to help the humans. Either she had convinced the tenno to help her save the humans or the Tenno themselves, feeling guilty for killing the humans, decided to convince Lotus to help them. Either way, stalker's entry states that "The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious... Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over..." possibly meant that the Tenno might have 'faked' a victory over the Sentients and betrayed the orokin at the ceremony.

      Centuries later, factions of humans appeared threatening the peace of the system so Lotus woke them up again to solve the conflict.

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    • Caboose, STFU WITH YOUR DUMB SHIT. Lotus isn't an organization.

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    • What if the lotus ARE the orokin? What if they retreated before the collapse? That would explain why the tennos have lotus emblems on them and why they are all over the void. Maybe they are coming back and are using tenno to take their territory back. That could be why the lotus fight the other factions. Maybe this could be an upcoming event? As for the stalker? He may be a tenno that never betrayed  the orokin and stayed true to tenno code and was appalled at the ninth drum beat(see stalker's codex) . Maybe the tenno are the bad guys...

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    • This thread just never dies, does it?  For clarity's sake, let's review the hard facts.

      1. The Lotus woke the Tenno from cryosleep ages after their supposed slaughter of the Orokin (though the Stalker is not what I would call a reliable source).

      2. The Grineer are a bunch of mass-produced fascit imperialist xenophobes who want nothing more than to crush everything not-Grineer, including the Tenno.

      3. The Corpus (excepting, maybe, Darvo) are money-motivated corporate douchebags with religious inclinations and an unhealthy fascination with the Tenno and their Warframes.

      4. The Infested...like to infest things?  And they were apparently Orokin bioweapons at some point.  Yeah, no one likes them.

      5. So far, the Lotus has talked our ears off about "maintaining balance in the solar system."  Aside from verging on criminally annoying, none of her actions seem to contradict that statement.

      6. So, we have three factions that definitely want to kill/dissect us, even if two of them do pay us to fight their wars.  The Corrupted are guardians of tech. that we try to steal, so no hard feelings there, and the Stalker...well, he's a bit of a jerk, with some major grudge issues.  So far, the Lotus is the only one who has not overtly tried to kill us.

      Based on this, I almost have to conclude that aside from the other Tenno, the Lotus is the only person/faction in the Origin System that we can trust at the moment.  Granted, her U12 avatar is a bit creepy...

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    • I read some comments (not all of them, that would be stupid and... yeah.) and had some thinks of it.

      They say lotus (person) is bad, double agent, protector, AI, avenger... well, I do think she is a protector, maybe an AI designed for the Tenno to guide them when they wake up from their estasis.

      Corpus, Grineer, we know them, Infected, not so much but we know their intentions. Corrupted? just a program that defend the orokin towers from stealers like some Tenno who want's their augmented Prime suits or weapons.

      Stalker... well, this make me think... He may be a guide, to show the Tenno how to fight... but killing them? rejected. He may be a hitman, part of other faction (to be released in a future update) with a contract to gain something with each Tenno (they tell him to kill you when you kill a boss, death mark system) but he says he is looking for revenge, so rejected.

      He is a Tenno, one of the few Tennos that fighted WITH the Orokin to stop the Tenno revolution, the only one of the orokin faction left alive with memory, the only one who remember all the fights, the blood, the screams, the tears and everything else the Tenno caused before the estasis time. He is in fact an avenger, but I don't really understand why he search for the Tenno who kill bosses... that part of the puzzle is still missing.

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    • Rhekinos wrote:
      I have a feeling that Lotus really is the good guy. If we are to assume that the 'Sentients' were in fact, human, then the Orokin was waging war against them. Lotus has appeared since Dark Sector so I might assume that Lotus is a secret underground rebel group. During the Old War she became somewhat involved in the battle against the Orokin.

      My theory is that the 'Lotus' (the female lotus head) was Orokin (Maybe a project or an actual Orokin AI) that had somehow switched allegience to help the humans. Either she had convinced the tenno to help her save the humans or the Tenno themselves, feeling guilty for killing the humans, decided to convince Lotus to help them. Either way, stalker's entry states that "The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious... Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over..." possibly meant that the Tenno might have 'faked' a victory over the Sentients and betrayed the orokin at the ceremony.

      Centuries later, factions of humans appeared threatening the peace of the system so Lotus woke them up again to solve the conflict.

      the orokin are the humans

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    • Connorpistol wrote:
      Rhekinos wrote:
      I have a feeling that Lotus really is the good guy. If we are to assume that the 'Sentients' were in fact, human, then the Orokin was waging war against them. Lotus has appeared since Dark Sector so I might assume that Lotus is a secret underground rebel group. During the Old War she became somewhat involved in the battle against the Orokin.

      My theory is that the 'Lotus' (the female lotus head) was Orokin (Maybe a project or an actual Orokin AI) that had somehow switched allegience to help the humans. Either she had convinced the tenno to help her save the humans or the Tenno themselves, feeling guilty for killing the humans, decided to convince Lotus to help them. Either way, stalker's entry states that "The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious... Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over..." possibly meant that the Tenno might have 'faked' a victory over the Sentients and betrayed the orokin at the ceremony.

      Centuries later, factions of humans appeared threatening the peace of the system so Lotus woke them up again to solve the conflict.

      the orokin are the humans

      No, they were not?

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    • The sentients are absolutly not the humans in this case XD c'mon! they are SENTIENTS... we are so not sentients (?

      Orokin may be humans... after reading the Excalibur and Stalker lores I get to that resemblance... that link between them... the orokin... may be humans after all XD only that they are dead :T

      Other intresting thing: In excalibur lore, it says Orokin took criminals and those criminals became warframes... that would be the reason why they killed the orokin... imagine a genocide with superpowers...

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    • GDSK-NXS wrote:
      The sentients are absolutly not the humans in this case XD c'mon! they are SENTIENTS... we are so not sentients (?

      Orokin may be humans... after reading the Excalibur and Stalker lores I get to that resemblance... that link between them... the orokin... may be humans after all XD only that they are dead :T

      Other intresting thing: In excalibur lore, it says Orokin took criminals and those criminals became warframes... that would be the reason why they killed the orokin... imagine a genocide with superpowers...

      Here we go: Story_and_History#Orokin_as_AI.2FRobots

      And uhm, the term sentient means "able to perceive or feel things." Unfortunately, we humans are considered sentient if you have tried to look up its meaning.

      It's possible that they are undead as it will also fit in with their non-sentient aspect but they are certainly no 'human' in the proper definition of the term.

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    • And what is the proper definition of human? because... us, the human, do inhuman things every day XD In that term, yeah, the sentients may be humans... but still feel like orokin were humans too :T

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    • Rhekinostake a look of what happens inside the game, the grineer clone each other and enslave or kill every organism that's not like them. That takes away the part of them being sentients, they don't reveal any feeling towards anything or anybody and, instead, they have a hive thinking being loyal to their queens (who don't show or speak to either the corpus or tenno). Also, the Corpus are almost cyborgs and have lots of robots being their infantry so, they don't feel, the only thing they "love" is money. Those both factions are humans or were at some point of history. Then, we, the Tenno, are also humans infected with the t- virus, but we don't show any feelings either, being over powered mercenairesor genocides as GDSK-NXS said, but that just is overrated. Also, maybe the Sentients were the Ancients, if you look at them, they only have a nearly humanoid look (two arms and legs, a body and a head :P) and we don't know what they were

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    • 1) Loved the time you spoke about grineer and corpus, they feel, in fact, even the pain of a bullet through their chest XD but they are just extreme parts of the human mind, each of us have rage inside, sort of greed, this factions are that, manifested in a extreme way. Tenno also have feelings (mag would cry if she heard you (?), at least that we think knowing what Valkyr go through, the pain, the fury, yeah, she in fact feel things XD. And if you don't know it, at least I have a total of over 100.000 kills, and we are like 3 million players, infested are the less since they are only on invassions and that mode don't like me so much XD so it will keep growing on Grineer and Corpus counts (I don't play void neither, Prime things are the last I will search for in Warframe) so, we are in fact, a bunch of big ass genocides XD but in the fact that the ancients are something we don't know, you are right, that squid-like beings draining energy on hits, air-poisoning auras and healing skills are a hell of extrange and unknown XD

      Think of it and read the link someone posted for me... the Orokin seem to be machines, robots, artificial intelligence beings of nothing we can ensure to know, brilliant enought to build powered suits and mind controlling devices, so let's fear of them, maybe the Tenno were just war hostages, used at experimentation, just it get out of control and Orokin couldn't handle that XD

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    • Saldi98 wrote:
      Rhekinostake a look of what happens inside the game, the grineer clone each other and enslave or kill every organism that's not like them. That takes away the part of them being sentients, they don't reveal any feeling towards anything or anybody and, instead, they have a hive thinking being loyal to their queens (who don't show or speak to either the corpus or tenno). Also, the Corpus are almost cyborgs and have lots of robots being their infantry so, they don't feel, the only thing they "love" is money. Those both factions are humans or were at some point of history. Then, we, the Tenno, are also humans infected with the t- virus, but we don't show any feelings either, being over powered mercenairesor genocides as GDSK-NXS said, but that just is overrated. Also, maybe the Sentients were the Ancients, if you look at them, they only have a nearly humanoid look (two arms and legs, a body and a head :P) and we don't know what they were

      Well the Ancient Infested could be the Orokin but DE also mentioned a new faction was coming so it might also be that :/

      As for the sentience thing,

      If you were to say that the Grineer and Corpus and non sentient then how are you going to explain this. The same applies for the Grineer. Sentience includes the ability to feel pain, to suffer. If you include the Corpus in your list of non-sentient beings then you'll have to find a way to explain Darvo :p

      As for the Grineer hivemind of their Twin Queens, it does not mean that they are non-sentient. I could just mean that they have a lot of faith in their rulers or that they have been genetically modified to do so. They could still retain the ability to feel. They certainly experience pleasure as you've seen in Sargus Ruk and the Grineer bosses' taunts which is another characteristic of a sentient being.

      All in all, the term setient is difficult to define (try wiki-ing it -.- it hardly makes much sense to me) but what's agreed on is that as long as it feels it's sentient (just use humans as a standard will be easier). Machines and soulless undead don't feel. They don't know pain or pleasure, just the job they're given.

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    • You know, part of being a sentient is the hability to see reality, so, if you can feel pain, see, hear, taste or smell... hello, you are a sentient XD the description of "sentient" used in this game is not linked to the thing I listed above, they mean sentient for having feels, as humans, and living beings, a dead can do all those things, or at least one of every one, but they do not have feelings, joy, hate, love, even fear. A robot is the best thing that can think, an have all the sensorial part without feeling, because they don't feel, they calculate XD

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    • GDSK-NXS wrote:
      You know, part of being a sentient is the hability to see reality, so, if you can feel pain, see, hear, taste or smell... hello, you are a sentient XD the description of "sentient" used in this game is not linked to the thing I listed above, they mean sentient for having feels, as humans, and living beings, a dead can do all those things, or at least one of every one, but they do not have feelings, joy, hate, love, even fear. A robot is the best thing that can think, an have all the sensorial part without feeling, because they don't feel, they calculate XD

      lol I'm trying to say that we humans are sentient and that the Corpus and Grineer are as well. Using your own description, we've seen both the Corpus and Grineer experience hatred. Mostly for the Tenno, Betrayers, Eye-less slag etc... They also experience fear (Capture targets again.)

      I'm not sure why this ended up as a post about sentience...

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    • GDSK-NXS wrote:
      The sentients are absolutly not the humans in this case XD c'mon! they are SENTIENTS... we are so not sentients (?

      Orokin may be humans... after reading the Excalibur and Stalker lores I get to that resemblance... that link between them... the orokin... may be humans after all XD only that they are dead :T

      Other intresting thing: In excalibur lore, it says Orokin took criminals and those criminals became warframes... that would be the reason why they killed the orokin... imagine a genocide with superpowers...

      Where did you read that criminals became warframes? There is no such thing.

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    • "We took the twisted few that had returned from that place. We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction." taked from the Excalibur Codex entry (no, I don't want to write in white, but I can't change the colour XD)... I think.. if they were not criminals, they are now, so it's pointless (they known these guys were freak out so it's their fault XD) 

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    • GDSK-NXS wrote:
      "We took the twisted few that had returned from that place. We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction." taked from the Excalibur Codex entry (no, I don't want to write in white, but I can't change the colour XD)... I think.. if they were not criminals, they are now, so it's pointless (they known these guys were freak out so it's their fault XD) 

      The "twisted few" does not refer to criminals, but to people who have been infested - just like Hayden Tenno(Dark Sector lore if you want to know more). The Orokin built warframes around people who had been infested but not overwhelmed by it to channel the powers they gained in the process.

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    • You are right, I'm not going to argue you in that fact XD I think Orokin were robots, so they used humans to make warframes? that is the missing link I can't find XD

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    • Orokin are probably AI within machines. Lotus was/is probably a rogue Orokin AI, who sided with the Tenno. The Tenno and Lotus then adopted a new emblem and style, that was different from the Orokin (notice how the Lotus symbol isn't on any of the Prime frames, but on the regular frames). Stalker was around when the Orokin were (why his frame isn't a Prime, I don't know). He hates both the Tenno and the Lotus for betraying. The Corpus look up to or even worship the Orokin. They are primarily a tech-based faction. Look at the Orokin stuff. It's mostly tech. Chances are, the Corpus base their tech on the Orokin in an attempt to replicate it. I honestly doubt Lotus has ulterior motives. Not once has she been portrayed as some secretive bad character. As to the purpose of the missions, of course it's to maintain balance in the system.

      The Orokin didn't USE humans to make warframes. They built warframes around the infected humans who returned from the Void. However, I now think this only applies to the original Orokin Tenno, as I'm pretty sure the rescue targets are also Tenno (and seemingly human).

      I say that the Lotus is a rogue Orokin AI (possibly just a rogue Orokin, if they all are AI) because she's as old as the Orokin, because the Excalibur is supposed to be as old as the Orokin. However, the Orokin stuff doesn't have the Lotus symbol. Not only that, but the Lotus has gold plating like Orokin stuff, only she's an indigo color instead of white. So given that, I think that the only way for her to have been around at the time of the Orokin AND have been a leading entity for the Tenno (such that they adopted a symbol that resembled her "mask"), I'd say that she's of Orokin origin, but obviously changed her virtualized color to distinguish between her and the Orokin.

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    • Okay just my personal input on this:

      It is stated that the Excalibur was the first of the Warrior gods cast in steel wielding the ways of blade and gun. In Excaliburs codex it states that the "Sentients" had won. They turned our technology against us. In our desperation we turned to the void.

      Personally i think the Orokin were an ancient form of advanced humans. These humans sent people into this void where all speculation and reasoning had failed. The ones that came back where built a frame around, given weapons and taught to use them.

      Perhaps the Void itself empowered these ancient humans and atuned them with the energies of the world. Their powers were so different that many different frames had to be made around these rejects to contain and possible control this power.

      As the Tenno was formed they became powerfull enough to stop the Sentients. Since the Tenno had accomplished what they were made to do, they were possible just put to sleep, to be awaken one day where they were needed.

      As time passed the Orokin must have foreseen something horrible incoming, that they could do nothing to stop. This could be why the Lotus was made. An ageless AI made to awaken the Tenno, when the time was right. The Orokin possibly knew that they wouldn't be there to guide the Tenno therefore they made the Lotus into a sort of guide aswell.

      The Orokin could possibly have made the Lotus more sentient and aware than planned.

      Now for the Stalker thing part

      They stated that Excalibur was the first and we can see that the Stalker is some sort of twisted Excalibur warframe with adwanced abilities. Perhaps amongst the first of the Tenno one decided that he survive the void once and could simply do it again. Maybe that time he was simply empowered with so much power and knowlegde that the Orokin simply couldn't reason and contain him after the war, therefore it could be that he was simply expelled as a Tenno and sent away.

      The reason he mentions that your killing of a boss is why he is here could be because of something the Lotus doesn't tell us. The targets the Tenno is sent to rescue must go somewhere. Maybe these are simply from other faction that we dont know about. And because of the "Amnesia" we simply follow instructions. 

      Maybe he is the only Tenno that actually follows the ways of the Orokin themselves.


      In the end all of this is simple speculations. Theories that might never be rest or talked about. Maybe they hold a large spectrum of truths, maybe they are all lies.

      In the end its all theory.

      -Georelic35

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    • That would imply that humans aren't Sentient. Humans are sentient. The Orokin, therefore, must be nonsentient. All the Tenno turned on the Orokin (before you mention it, the Stalker isn't Tenno, he's a lesser guardian). The Tenno are infected. So the Orokin built Warframes to house them and to channel their energy. The Tenno turned on the Orokin after they had beaten the Sentients. This is all established lore. We don't know anything about the Lotus, but the style of her outfit is very much Orokin. Just her headwear isn't.

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    • Guys, aren't you taking this too seriously? It's just a videogame. Sheesh.

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    • Maybe, maybe, I have some time so don't bother thinking, is also a good oportunity to make the brain work XD

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    • What, here? Why not try doing something more meaningful, such as understanding the proof for Fermat's Last Theorem?

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    • You... I can't insult you, so let's just say that I give a shit about you comment because of the sarcasm in there XD if you really don't care this shit, you can actually stop commenting, close the wiki, and go for a sertificate that says you are the smartest man on earth ñ_ñ but maybe is too late for you, don't you dhink? n_n

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    • I wasn't being sarcastic, and I commented because, seriously, if you spend hours of your time doing something as unproductive as this, you have wasted too much time on thinking about a gosh-darn videogame.

      It wasn't designed for the purpose of having an intricate and confusing plotline, it was designed to be PLAYED.

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    • And the players enjoy the intrincate and confusing plotline XD If you are talking about the people that comments a book on each reply then yes, they may be a bit of time-wasters but I was only commenting XD same as you, I can say :P

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    • i've checked the widely accepted back-story and came up with this, Lotus was the organization within the Orokin responsible for the creation of the Tenno order durinig the Old War with the Sentients. After the Orokin won (thanks to the Tenno) the Tenno believed themselves better that the Orokin and so they wiped out the race entirely, taking control of the galaxy for themselves. However, the spared the Lotus organization becasue they were the ones who, in a sense, created them. The Lotus organization beleived the Tenno still able to be saved and controlled, so they put the Tenno in stasis and then went into hiding, studying the Tenno. The humans, who had formerly worked hand-in-hand with the Orokin, now split apart into two factions, the Grineer and the Corpus. The Grineer faction cloned themselves in an attempt to create more soldiers, however the clones kept "falling apart" so they needed to make robotic arms and legs and such for the clones. The Corpus, obviously being more technologically advanced than the Grineer, had everything the Grineer needed to keep their bodies in one piece, but the Grineer weren't on good terms with the Corpus and so they went to war with the Corpus to get what they needed. now with the galaxy tearing itself apart between two factions who dont know when to quit and a plauge that treatens to wipe out life as we know it (the infested) the Lotus organization has no other choice left and must release the Tenno from cryostasis in order to bring peace to the galaxy once more. This is where the game starts.

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    • plague*

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    • well we sure have expanded since the good old days

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    • Let's get some things clear.

      The Corpus and the Grineer are petty warlords who took the Solar System for their own after the fall of the Orokin.

      The Tenno beat back the Sentients - that's why they were "clad in savior's silk" in the Stalker's little monolouge.

      But then they massacred the Orokin. The real ambiguity is why did the Tenno do that?

      The lotus symbol is plastered all over the place in both DS and Warframe - even some of the doors in the void vaguely resemble the Lotus headgear. She's not a Corpus creation; she ties back to the Orokin.

      She might be an Orokin AI. However, this is incredibly unlikely, given how dusgusted she sounds when she speaks of the Corrupted.

      Oh yeah, and there's a picture of her model on the internet. It shows some details on the back that look like computer sockets. Scientists have been working on enhancing our memory with computers; what if she's some sort of post-human supercomputer cyborg?

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    • What some of you seem to be missing is the genetic condition that allowed Hayden from dark sector to with stand the Technocyte virus (he could feel no pain) and the fact that the Lotus was also in Dark sector in a different manner so the question becomes Who are who (orokin or sentient). The Grineer are definetly human with severely degraded genes through years of cloning and such and existed just as the warframes were being introduced (there is an excerpt of a grineer woman who encountered ember when ember was a child) as viable weapons. Now my theory is that one or many of the current warframes are simply people that have an incredibly high pain tolerence (or the stalker does) but not enough to over come the madening pain the virus inflicts. This would translate to either the stalker "seeing" the tenno commit this genocide described when he did it himself and is out to kill all other warframes beliveing them to be in the wrong or that the tenno core did do this and the Lotus AI is simply a guide in an attempt to keep them under control so that the mass genocide never happens again with the stalker hunting them down for vengence.

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    • Hey so couple of disclaimers before my point:

      Sorry if somone already said this and I just didn't see it. I know the Devs have said that Dark Sector has nothing to do with the game/not a direct sequel, etc. but the connections are too real to say that the lore isn't being pulled from the same place. Also, I've never played DS so I don't know the whole story, so I may be way off - I'm only going off of the 8-min trailer that someone posted earlier.

      Now, what if Hayden Tenno is The Stalker?

      Idk what this accomplishes in terms of what the Lotus' intentions are, but I thought it was worth throwing out there.

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    • QueEsQueso wrote:
      Hey so couple of disclaimers before my point:

      Sorry if somone already said this and I just didn't see it. I know the Devs have said that Dark Sector has nothing to do with the game/not a direct sequel, etc. but the connections are too real to say that the lore isn't being pulled from the same place. Also, I've never played DS so I don't know the whole story, so I may be way off - I'm only going off of the 8-min trailer that someone posted earlier.

      Now, what if Hayden Tenno is The Stalker?

      Idk what this accomplishes in terms of what the Lotus' intentions are, but I thought it was worth throwing out there.


      Hayden as the stalker is very much not possible. The Stalker was a low guard, not even a tenno in his own codex entry.

      DE didn't say Dark Sector had nothing to do with warframe. Quite the opposite. They mentioned somewhere I think that the two games took place in the same universe albeit different eras.

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    • DE did say that Hayden was first, but you can't take it literally.

      They also said that Dark Sector wasn't exactly thing they were aiming for. You know, being limited by budget, publishers and stuff.

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    • Personally i think the Lotus is some kind of really advanced Neural Sentry made to coordinate the Tenno during the Old War against the Sentients, and after the Tenno won she decided her creators were too strong and she told the Tenno to kill everyone.

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    • Whoever Lotus is, well she's the boss of the Tenno. Disobedience = you're out of a job.

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    • "A single blade for more precision. The Ether Sword cuts so cleanly that it was considered by the Tenno to be a more humane weapon for 'cleansing' infested allies."

      I just copy pasta'd this off of the wiki, but I'm fairly certain that it implies that the Tenno are NOT resilient to the Technocyte Plague.

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    • Lets put it simple with all the knowledge we've gathered so far:

      The Lotus is probably an Orokin AI that appears to be helping the Tenno for unknown reasons. We know that all Tenno we're heroes of a war (probably Human-Orokin) that had something to do with the infested (the Lotus says that the Lephantis was a creature created to fight "an old war"). After being hailed as heroes, all Tenno were locked in statis. All but one.

      The Codex says some interesting things about the Stalker. Put it short, he was a Tenno outcast who saw the Tenno as evil, and was NOT locked in statis (as so retaining his memories) and seeks revenge on the Tenno for their "crimes". You decide from here.


      EDIT: Also, in the opening cinematic with Vor, Excalibur awakens on an Orokin Derelict ship. More theories?

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    • Everyone here is trying to decide what the Locust is but I just think she is a super Tenno.

      Think about not only does she control all other Tenno she also manages to remain completely hidden from all other sources including the Tenno themselves. She also manages to hack into enemy databases, know enemy plans like who plans to build formordian (tetra ships) class ships and how you would come about locating one almost instantly, she is also unstopable before the Gustrag Three there was no one that could even scramble her constant updates on enemy positions and movements, the Grineer and Corpus are quite aware that she does this and are unable to stop it. She knows all so it might be that she has some kind of leak like a future Locust that is commanding an army of clones or an AI ( lets face it she is in constant contact with thousands of Tenno at all times there would have to be more than one just so she could sleep). Seriously though she is the most powerful being in the universe maybe not directly.

      I think that the Stalker is a group of either Tenno radicals or assasins (sorry) that are working under some sort of organization that will hopefully be revealed sometime later. He's probably not a real Tenno I think he might be that one race that the Orokin's fought.

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    • 110.22.15.158 wrote:
      Lets put it simple with all the knowledge we've gathered so far:

      The Lotus is probably an Orokin AI that appears to be helping the Tenno for unknown reasons. We know that all Tenno we're heroes of a war (probably Human-Orokin) that had something to do with the infested (the Lotus says that the Lephantis was a creature created to fight "an old war"). After being hailed as heroes, all Tenno were locked in statis. All but one.

      The Codex says some interesting things about the Stalker. Put it short, he was a Tenno outcast who saw the Tenno as evil, and was NOT locked in statis (as so retaining his memories) and seeks revenge on the Tenno for their "crimes". You decide from here.


      EDIT: Also, in the opening cinematic with Vor, Excalibur awakens on an Orokin Derelict ship. More theories?

      That's lot of misinformation you gathered.

      We have no knowledge about Lotus other that she is a guide of sorts for Tenno and she has much bigger skills/knowledge/luck about hacking into Orokin systems. That's it.

      Tenno were a weapon created to fight in Orokin-Sentient war. After Tenno fighting for Orokin defeated Sentients(or so is speculated) they turned on Orokin. We don't know if they killed them or threw into the Void.

      Stalker codex entry is his own point of view. He hates Tenno for what they've done in the aftermath of Orokin-Sentient war. That suggest he wasn't a Tenno. He calls himself "lowly guardian".

      Stasis. If he isn't a Tenno, then he didn't participate in Orokin "slaughter" and even if he defended Orokin from Tenno, he was spared for reasons unknown. What he was doing in the meantime is vague at best. Perhaps he was a Tenno, but instead of losing memory he went insane?

      Vor lands on a PLANET. There, inside a cave was an orokin vault of sorts with Excalibur.

      About Ether Swords. Look into Ember lore. It explains how some Tenno were "born". We can clearly read that Tenno came from a society very simillar to ours. First, they were human-like. Second, not everybody was authorized to know about "the Tenno Project".

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    • I'll put my opinions up here so that you guys can attack them.

      It seems likely that the Lotus is maligant. Notice that every assignment she assigns you is murderous and offensive: Run into enemy base, kill everyone, break out prisoners, capture targets, hack into the base's network, steal enemy property, assist in a supply raid, or destroy the base. The only non-murderous activities that Tenno participate in are not managed by the Lotus (Clans) and when these activities turn murderous (Dark Sector Conflict), suddenly the Lotus is there again. 

      On the more radical side of things, we know that the Sentients took Orokin technology and turned them against the Orokin Empire (Excalibur Codex Entry). We also know that the Tenno turned against the Orokin Empire (Stalker Codex Entry). So, it is possible that the Sentients turned the Tenno against the Empire. Now, we do not know much about the Lotus; she may have existed during the war with the Sentients and know about what the Tenno did, possibly indicated by her "it's nothing" attitude towards the Tenno's memory loss. Because she presently guides the Tenno, she may have influenced them before. The Sentients also may have influenced the Tenno before. This opens the possibility that the Lotus is a Sentient.

      Something unrelated that may be of importance is that Excalibur emerges from cryostasis onboard what appears to be an Orokin Direlect (access in/out is through a portal). 

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    • There does exist the possibility that Lotus has dipped into Rampancy due to long periods of inactivity. Lotus however is tasked with awakening the Tenno should there ever be cause (Much like Cortana and the Master Chief). Lotus displays combat management skills as well as other, slightly more ambivalent tendencies. According to Lotus, the Tenno are the Guardians of peace and order, created by the Orokin to act as police. However, the Orokin Empire ever went too far they would have been compelled to take action due to their Programming. Lotus acts as the Tenno's strategist to overcome threats to Order. She issues orders to the Tenno to uphold order. It is entirely possible that she ordered the Tenno to destroy the Orokin Empire.

      The Corpus have recently initiated research to weaponize Tenno for their own uses.

      The Grineer hate and fear the Tenno more than any other faction.

      Stalker is likely a surviving Orokin. There's strong evidence to indicate that the Tenno are simple Bioengineered members of the Orokin race (a bit like how superior humans in Halo are regarded by Guilty Spark as "Reclaimers"). This genetic status would theoretically allow him to utilize Tenno equipment (The Warframes are genetically coded to the Tenno).

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    • Let me share my bit

      Once upon a time there were Orikon.  Im not really sure about that they infected humans with some sort of virus and the ones left surviving were called upon the Orikon.  They trained the humans to be tenno and well built a frame around them, excalabur prime was the first, as it says in the codex.  On a day of a ceremony the Orikon were betrayed.  Guess who?  The tenno.  They were slaughtered by them and there were no left.  The Stalker was a sort of guard back them and saw the horrid event. He managed to escape and swore to avenge the Orikon. Since the tenno were put into crysleep they did not remeber their sin.  There is also a possibilty that the Lotus organized the death of the Orikons, thus why the factions call Her a betrayer.

      That's my part  

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    • 151.159.106.182 wrote:
      There does exist the possibility that Lotus has dipped into Rampancy due to long periods of inactivity. Lotus however is tasked with awakening the Tenno should there ever be cause (Much like Cortana and the Master Chief). Lotus displays combat management skills as well as other, slightly more ambivalent tendencies. According to Lotus, the Tenno are the Guardians of peace and order, created by the Orokin to act as police. However, the Orokin Empire ever went too far they would have been compelled to take action due to their Programming. Lotus acts as the Tenno's strategist to overcome threats to Order. She issues orders to the Tenno to uphold order. It is entirely possible that she ordered the Tenno to destroy the Orokin Empire.

      The Corpus have recently initiated research to weaponize Tenno for their own uses.

      The Grineer hate and fear the Tenno more than any other faction.

      Stalker is likely a surviving Orokin. There's strong evidence to indicate that the Tenno are simple Bioengineered members of the Orokin race (a bit like how superior humans in Halo are regarded by Guilty Spark as "Reclaimers"). This genetic status would theoretically allow him to utilize Tenno equipment (The Warframes are genetically coded to the Tenno).

      21hMIIf

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    • 124.171.217.49 wrote:
      mayby the stalker considering the romour hes a rouge tenno is actually an original tenno who didnt go into cryosleep and is trying to stop these new tenno because they are following the lotus who may be evil and might be their enermy or somenoe else who wanted to destroy everything, why would they have lost their memory if their so advanced? it semms logical to me that this could be the case.

      The stalker wasn't actually a rouge tenno as he didn't kill the Orokin Emperors as it says from his codex. Also i believe that the Lotus that guides you is a tenno creation as it is lacking the typical orokin usage of gold and white and from the stalker's codex it says that "Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept." which means that some tenno remained and created the lotus (I think). The tenno themselves were'nt necessarily that advanced as the Orokin created everything for them including the warframes which the tenno simply replicated as seen by prime variants.

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    • 174.112.14.141 wrote:
      Let me share my bit

      Once upon a time there were Orikon.  Im not really sure about that they infected humans with some sort of virus and the ones left surviving were called upon the Orikon.  They trained the humans to be tenno and well built a frame around them, excalabur prime was the first, as it says in the codex.  On a day of a ceremony the Orikon were betrayed.  Guess who?  The tenno.  They were slaughtered by them and there were no left.  The Stalker was a sort of guard back them and saw the horrid event. He managed to escape and swore to avenge the Orikon. Since the tenno were put into crysleep they did not remeber their sin.  There is also a possibilty that the Lotus organized the death of the Orikons, thus why the factions call Her a betrayer.

      That's my part  

      not really "We took the twisted few that had returned from that place (the void). We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction. Gave them the weapons of the old ways. Gun and blade. A new warrior, a new code was born. These rejects, these Tenno, became our saviors. Warrior-Gods cast in steel and fury striking our enemies in a way they could never comprehend." - Orokin 'Warframe' Archives (Excalibur Codex Entry)

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    • 86.152.13.129 wrote:
      But what of Stalker? We know as much about him as we do about Lotus: Not a lot. For all we know, Stalker could be working for (or leading) a faction of rogue Tenno with Lotus as a double agent, perhaps?

      he kinda reminds me of the Red Veil, maybe he used to be one of them? (the Red Veil hostages look a lot like tenno hostages)

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    • I think Lotus is similar to the Red Veil, being a rebellion to the Iron Fist of Grineer and the Greedy Milk of Corpus

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    • 99.46.23.96 wrote:
      I think Lotus is similar to the Red Veil, being a rebellion to the Iron Fist of Grineer and the Greedy Milk of Corpus

      Except we have no idea how Red Veil opposes Grineer and Corpus.

      Actually, we don't know anything about them. Not that Lotus likes to throw informations at Tenno, but still all I could get from last event is "They're kids that dislike our enemies, get them out of jails, Tenno."

      Stalker is muuuuuuch more experienced and/or older than anybody in Red Veil. Can you imagine a guy who appears out of nowhere, kills Tenno, disappears in a puff of smoke... in a jail?

      Plus:

      Stalker = kills Tenno(or tries) and never gets caught,

      Red Veil = can't do shit, gets locked up and asks Tenno to save their asses.

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    • Not really related to the topic here but Mag Prime's lore is out. And it's amazing!

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    • 150.176.227.114 wrote:
      Everyone here is trying to decide what the Locust is but I just think she is a super Tenno.

      Think about not only does she control all other Tenno she also manages to remain completely hidden from all other sources including the Tenno themselves. She also manages to hack into enemy databases, know enemy plans like who plans to build formordian (tetra ships) class ships and how you would come about locating one almost instantly, she is also unstopable before the Gustrag Three there was no one that could even scramble her constant updates on enemy positions and movements, the Grineer and Corpus are quite aware that she does this and are unable to stop it. She knows all so it might be that she has some kind of leak like a future Locust that is commanding an army of clones or an AI ( lets face it she is in constant contact with thousands of Tenno at all times there would have to be more than one just so she could sleep). Seriously though she is the most powerful being in the universe maybe not directly.

      I think that the Stalker is a group of either Tenno radicals or assasins (sorry) that are working under some sort of organization that will hopefully be revealed sometime later. He's probably not a real Tenno I think he might be that one race that the Orokin's fought.

      For the super Tenno concept, you're semi correct on that part. Checking the twitter of PlayWarframe, you'd see that they released small bits of lore not in codexes and all. For Lotus, they released a statement that she is mentally connected to all the Tenno, meaning that can help contact the Tenno. 

      Your Stalker bit, on the other hand, is pretty incorrect about it being a group. If you read this, the Stalker codex entry: "Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day.

      The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honored Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out but only a strangled whisper escaped.

      When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

      Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent." 

      Reading this, you will find out that it being written in First Person View shows that the Stalker is not an organization, but was a low Guardian of the Orokin, most likely protecting citizens or the Emperor.  Along with that, he is one person killing the Tenno for their sins, a.k.a. their murders, captures of others, etc.

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    • Reading mostly all of these posts has been a great read and have came up with a theory

      The Orokin were a Bio-Mechanical race with a firm grasp of genetics maybe they believed that becoming bio mechanical was the next step of their evolution or some such bollocks. anyway they ruled the origin system or galaxy  under a violent rule over the origin system and/or galaxy and Ruled over sentient beings maybe they were always there but did not cause enough of a problem. until one day the sentients started a rebellion against the orokin,possibly being able to hack/reprogram the Orokin like in terminator hence *i cant remember the quote* but the sentients used their own power against them so in retaliation the Orokin created the T-virus and through testing they came to realise that it could augment a small percentage of Sentients not alot but enough to make the problem worse so maybe through indoctrination these Augmented Sentients would become the Tenno. but after the war and after the self inflicted Great Plauge the Lotus pitied the Tenno after their experimentation and indoctrinated so lotus told em what the orokin had done in some form or another. but who we know as the stalker were to indoctrinated to believe and witnessed the death of the remaining orokin after the wars and the hands of the Tenno. also i beleive that The stalker is a small splinter group who hunt the "Betrayers" this may be filled with holes but alas this is what ive built up with after reading the Story and History section. 

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    • Jossage
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    • 74.114.87.70 wrote:
      150.176.227.114 wrote:
      Everyone here is trying to decide what the Locust is but I just think she is a super Tenno.

      Think about not only does she control all other Tenno she also manages to remain completely hidden from all other sources including the Tenno themselves. She also manages to hack into enemy databases, know enemy plans like who plans to build formordian (tetra ships) class ships and how you would come about locating one almost instantly, she is also unstopable before the Gustrag Three there was no one that could even scramble her constant updates on enemy positions and movements, the Grineer and Corpus are quite aware that she does this and are unable to stop it. She knows all so it might be that she has some kind of leak like a future Locust that is commanding an army of clones or an AI ( lets face it she is in constant contact with thousands of Tenno at all times there would have to be more than one just so she could sleep). Seriously though she is the most powerful being in the universe maybe not directly.

      I think that the Stalker is a group of either Tenno radicals or assasins (sorry) that are working under some sort of organization that will hopefully be revealed sometime later. He's probably not a real Tenno I think he might be that one race that the Orokin's fought.

      For the super Tenno concept, you're semi correct on that part. Checking the twitter of PlayWarframe, you'd see that they released small bits of lore not in codexes and all. For Lotus, they released a statement that she is mentally connected to all the Tenno, meaning that can help contact the Tenno. 

      Your Stalker bit, on the other hand, is pretty incorrect about it being a group. If you read this, the Stalker codex entry: "Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day.

      The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honored Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out but only a strangled whisper escaped.

      When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

      Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent." 

      Reading this, you will find out that it being written in First Person View shows that the Stalker is not an organization, but was a low Guardian of the Orokin, most likely protecting citizens or the Emperor.  Along with that, he is one person killing the Tenno for their sins, a.k.a. their murders, captures of others, etc.

      part about the stalker group being incorrect.Maybe that is Their sacred scroll written by one of em that the all abide by, perhaps "Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent" is their chant.....the chant of the stalker

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    • There IS some sort of prequel of Warframe, where partically is explained how tenno came in the world... The game name is Dark Sector and is next on my to play list... I heard the story is about a man who evolves from the technocite virus to something unhuman, but still human, giving him amazing powers... Haven't played it but I hope it ends at the beginning of warframe, when they go in cryosleep or something... (don't know)

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    • Or maybe, just maybe, the game is still in beta and they haven't finished fleshing out the story because they're trying to manage the bugs first?

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    • 86.90.209.7 wrote:
      There IS some sort of prequel of Warframe, where partically is explained how tenno came in the world... The game name is Dark Sector and is next on my to play list... I heard the story is about a man who evolves from the technocite virus to something unhuman, but still human, giving him amazing powers... Haven't played it but I hope it ends at the beginning of warframe, when they go in cryosleep or something... (don't know)

      It does not end at the beginning of warframe. It ends long before. It's the first outbreak of the technocyte plague. 

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    • Rhekinos
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    • I belive you are all with in the boundries of being correct the thing is none of us will know untill the time prosents it self... in other words we all will have the chance to speculate...

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    • 72.28.17.239 wrote:
      I belive you are all with in the boundries of being correct the thing is none of us will know untill the time prosents it self... in other words we all will have the chance to speculate...

      by the way my in-game name is JASON_MARCH friend me if anyone wants to play/speculate a mission [my whole life in a nut shell]

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