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  • In this discussion, I will be calling to question the connection to the T-virus with the Infestation, and more broadly, the connection between Dark Sector and Warframe. Please note that I will be looking for actual in game quotes naming the infestation as the T-virus, or direct dev statements saying "infestation IS Technocyte".

    After countless hours playing Warframe, I cannot recall an instance where the name "Technocyte" being use to describe the Infestation, in fact, of all instances where it links both together is in speculated theories here on the wiki. It is said to be referred to in game and quoted by the Lotus, yet I have not found these quotes or references. It has been assumed that because of the taunts used by infested bosses, namely "We are your flesh", is proof that the the T-virus is the Infestation, however this of course is assuming that, because of Dark Sector lore, that the Tenno are exactly the same as Hayden, however, there is no evidence that we are, or that the Tenno are in fact infested.

    So in short what I am asking, is for direct quotes, in game, or clear statements from the devs, that both the T-virus and the Infestation are linked.

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    • If you know anything about me and my stance on the lore between both games is that unless DE specifically says "Warframe is the sequel to dark sector" (which they haven't) warframe is a 'spiritual successor' and any material used in warframe that is similar or identical to the kind of thing used in dark sector, it is simply borrowing content and not transferring lore along with it. 

      that said, technocyte in warframe is different from the one in dark sector. more specifically, it's ability to bind with nanomachines (or a more plausible thing, is the technocyte describes nanites that invade living cells, ie plastids)and the one in dark sector is a virus, so i would not go as far as saying that they are the same thing. 

      as for direct quotes, i myself do not remember any but i know small bits exist said by the lotus that mention technocyte at one point. while most of this stuff is assumed, remember though that because warframe borrows from dark sector we can conclude that the concept of technocyte is similar, although as i mentioned function differently in each game. 

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    • Maybe technocyte virus is same as infestation (like previously said), but is under orokin tower's control INSIDE tower. Outside they will be still infected with technocyte but they have no controller -> what we know as infested.

      This is what i tought. I noticed also tenno-orokin-dark sector link but you said it before me so i'll save some space.

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    • Darthmufin wrote: If you know anything about me and my stance on the lore between both games is that unless DE specifically says "Warframe is the sequel to dark sector" (which they haven't) warframe is a 'spiritual successor' and any material used in warframe that is similar or identical to the kind of thing used in dark sector, it is simply borrowing content and not transferring lore along with it. 

      that said, technocyte in warframe is different from the one in dark sector. more specifically, it's ability to bind with nanomachines (or a more plausible thing, is the technocyte describes nanites that invade living cells, ie plastids)and the one in dark sector is a virus, so i would not go as far as saying that they are the same thing. 

      as for direct quotes, i myself do not remember any but i know small bits exist said by the lotus that mention technocyte at one point. while most of this stuff is assumed, remember though that because warframe borrows from dark sector we can conclude that the concept of technocyte is similar, although as i mentioned function differently in each game. 

      I agree with Warframe being a successor and not a sequal, as for these quotes mentioning Technocyte, I have scrolled through the wiki trying to find these, with no such luck. I've run lephantus and phorid to see if the Lotus mentions it, with nothing turning up, my only conclusion is that J-3 had the quotes naming the T-virus, as I cannot find the word "Technocyte" anywhere in the game, which leads me to believe that DE has decided to remove this reference of Darksector from the game, and remove it from lore, much like how all entries of the so called "Tenno Council" has been removed, leading some to believe that Nova is no longer considered a post Orokin-era frame. If all accounts of the word Technocyte are removed from the game, does that mean that it no longer exists within lore?

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    • to be honest i don't know where the quote came from for the infested on the Infested page either, but i assume it's from a completed infested codex or something. 

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    • During exterminate infestation Lotus says: there are infestation here illiminate it, if it is not tenno.

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    • Yeah, the Infestation is sometimes referred to as Technocyte. In Warframe.

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    • Nerdsoft wrote: Yeah, the Infestation is sometimes referred to as Technocyte. In Warframe.

      cite please

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    • Apoc FTW wrote:

      Nerdsoft wrote: Yeah, the Infestation is sometimes referred to as Technocyte. In Warframe.

      cite please

      You can actually find references here on the wiki. Like the Orokin Derelict page.

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    • Nerdsoft wrote:

      Apoc FTW wrote:

      Nerdsoft wrote: Yeah, the Infestation is sometimes referred to as Technocyte. In Warframe.

      cite please

      You can actually find references here on the wiki. Like the Orokin Derelict page.

      again, cite, with what proof do we have that that is the actual lore, it doesn't say that it is taken straight from the game, like the infestations description, so for all we know it is a speculated lore theory some1 wrote up, if the wiki is to be proof of something, it needs to be cited otherwise it is speculation, now I have yet to find anything related to the T-virus, everything infested related, in the current stage of the game, the word "Technocyte" is nowhere mentioned, not in in-game descriptions, not in any of Lotus's quotes, this is the reason I started this discussion, because to my understanding the word Technocyte is a fan name reference to Dark Sector, with no proof that they are indeed the same

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    • After reading this page, I quickly discovered how little info we have over Lotus quotes in general. That page is near-empty.

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    • NeithanDiniem wrote: After reading this page, I quickly discovered how little info we have over Lotus quotes in general. That page is near-empty.

      ^exactly why I'm calling to question this topic

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    • I couldnt find anything in-game as of now that the infestation are the technocyte virus. I want to say that I heard it somewhere, but like so many others I cant remember enough to say where exactly or exact quote. By now it could easily have been removed as have other things over the updates. Think I might start taking screenshots of Lotus dialog when I can. Cant get any of the quest-quotes, but I can at least do basic stuff I guess.

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    • NeithanDiniem wrote: I couldnt find anything in-game as of now that the infestation are the technocyte virus. I want to say that I heard it somewhere, but like so many others I cant remember enough to say where exactly or exact quote. By now it could easily have been removed as have other things over the updates. Think I might start taking screenshots of Lotus dialog when I can. Cant get any of the quest-quotes, but I can at least do basic stuff I guess.

      that would be most helpful

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    • well after much digging I came across this:http://notwarframe.wikia.com/wiki/Jupiter

      so there is the reference, now comes the next question

      if this is now removed from the game, does it mean it is retconned, aka removed from lore

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    • i think i remember it being used in some old descriptions on the start chart

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    • Apoc FTW wrote: well after much digging I came across this:http://notwarframe.wikia.com/wiki/Jupiter

      so there is the reference, now comes the next question

      if this is now removed from the game, does it mean it is retconned, aka removed from lore

      I agree... At least it is only sane answer i see in the moment

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    • Symbosis wrote:

      Apoc FTW wrote: well after much digging I came across this:http://notwarframe.wikia.com/wiki/Jupiter

      so there is the reference, now comes the next question

      if this is now removed from the game, does it mean it is retconned, aka removed from lore

      I agree... At least it is only sane answer i see in the moment

      The technocyte had also been mentioned in the description of nano spores.Everyone missed that lol

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    • Warframe's technocyte virus is probably the orokin-enhanced version of dark sector's, it was a failed attempt to stop the sentients and stop their invasion, things went out badly and here we are now And the warframes ARE made of infested flesh that's for sure

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    • Or DE re-used a pre-existing thing they thought of to save some time

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    • And y'all necro'd and ancient thread

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    • Abody Ar wrote:
      Warframe's technocyte virus is probably the orokin-enhanced version of dark sector's, it was a failed attempt to stop the sentients and stop their invasion, things went out badly and here we are now

      And the warframes ARE made of infested flesh that's for sure

      Except those games are not connected. That was confirmed a long time ago by the devs themselves on stream. They havent made any statements to the contrary since that stream.

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    • Lephantis is similar to the Hemocytes.

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    • and here we are, chimera is out on console and i still cant figure out who the bad guy is, me, the frames, the orokin, which faction is the most evil? the tenno? the sentients? the infested?!?! and the hell happened to the man in the wall, he be acting weird lately

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    • 67.49.39.173 wrote:
      and here we are, chimera is out on console and i still cant figure out who the bad guy is, me, the frames, the orokin, which faction is the most evil? the tenno? the sentients? the infested?!?! and the hell happened to the man in the wall, he be acting weird lately

      Google yourself some Loreframe, and it'll probably inform you enough for form somewhat of an opinion.

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    • They mentioned somewhere that the orokin perfected a virus found on Earth to create the infestation. Now the fact that Dark Sector is not considered canon, as stated in the Lore page of the wiki, I think this statement is false, even tho it was mentioned before. So yeah, infestation WAS technocyte, but they changed the lore over time, so as for now, no, it's not identical.

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    • The infestation we know now was a modified version the Orokin created for the Helminth strain. They altered it to weaponize it against the sentients.

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    • does this make nidus kinda like a upgraded heydan tenno

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    • and (the old boss of jupiter) j3-golem a upgraded nemissis?

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    • A Lone Tenno
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