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    • Synapse is more reliable because it doesn't have that delay when the Phage has to focus, dps wise I don't really know, also the Synapse has a base electric (perfect for a ton of great elemental combos) not like the Phage that's really good against Grineer and Corpus, not so much against infested

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    • Depends on your frame.

      Phage is a shotgun and should be treated as one. If you're skillful, the Phage can make a massive impact in DPS but it won't match the Synapse (if modded correctly). The Viral effect of Phage may result in faster fights nevertheless. In general, if you're a frame that's close and personal, go Phage for the mid-range limited combat.

      Synapse dominates DPS. With a frame like Volt, it's ridiculously improved. Shooting your limited 20m 'stream' through Volt's Electric Shield will give it unlimited range, allowing snipe-synapsing with even higher damage.

      Due to this circumstance, neither the Phage is Synapse is simply "better". It depends on your skills, your frame, your playstyle, your kit and your team. Do your research and adjust your arensal like a pro would.

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    • i kinda like the synapse better based on the dps and no charge time, but thats bacause I have a 5 forma synapse with max corrisive damage

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    • Phage vs. Synapse, Viral(which is bad even tough it says corrodes) vs. Electric, Shogun vs. Rifle, 1 bullet/sec vs 10 bullets/sec. My opinion Synapse my be more expensive but well worht the investment espically if you gonna keep it, while the Phage is new and all the kool kids are using it, it's just very under whelming and not that good. Definately Synapse. 24.191.94.27 12:40, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

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    • 24.191.94.27 wrote:
      Phage vs. Synapse, Viral(which is bad even tough it says corrodes) vs. Electric, Shogun vs. Rifle, 1 bullet/sec vs 10 bullets/sec. My opinion Synapse my be more expensive but well worht the investment espically if you gonna keep it, while the Phage is new and all the kool kids are using it, it's just very under whelming and not that good. Definately Synapse. 24.191.94.27 12:40, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

      my bad wasn't signed in. Pharuan Undearth (talk) 12:41, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

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    • PhageDef

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      Synapsedef

      1. That post you gave is pre-U12 so it is outta date a bit.

      2. Both you and the poster didn't actual put in the mods otherwise you would've gotten different numbers which since im such a nice guy have given.

      3. That is maxed out for both so on a good day theres only a 1.9k difference not 5k.

      In closing get your numbers, get your facts and next time you won't look as dumb, also don't spew others work without a legit real backing to the claims. Sorry about Phage picture forgot to leave the name and level in but you can still se the mod spots.{Udated the photo)

      BTW:The numbers and mods are from the post, before you start mouth-foaming agian look.

      P.S.-I forgot to mention this is a stupid comparison between a shotgun and a rifle.

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    • ok 330 base viral one shot per second (unmodded) vs 12 continuos electric x 10 shots a second... right there is 330 viral or 120 electric.

      Then a hells chambber maxed out being the one and only mod on phage gives 14 beams and changes to 715/770 base viral damage per shot, increase fire rate andits more than 1 shots per second. Also the beams added by hells chambe do not require any focusing, and the unfocused beams can be tightened up with a - spread mod.

      the accurracy of synapse sucks compared to phage and most everything else is the same.

      Now, my real world experience the phage takes a whole lot less time to drop everything other than robotics.

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    • 24.184.253.62 wrote: Phage's 21k max dps vs Synapses 16k max dps.. 

      https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/159702-dps-of-all-weapons-in-game-except-melee/?hl=embolist


      You decide.


      phage does around 19k damage with 10% chance of crit for double. So on average its... 21k damage per second.

      Synapses does around 14k damage with 100% chance of crit for +3.4x on average it's 40K+ per second.


      So if you are attacking weak point? Synapse. Want to just point click? phage.

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    • Hey are you even going to look at the numbers on the actual weapons or again are you going to copy paste anothers work 19.24k vs.17.25k do your math stop repaeting the same mistake. God it's only 2 posts up are you that lazy. I going to rip my own eyes out. Pharuan Undearth (talk) 08:09, February 18, 2014 (UTC) have a good Tuesday Everyone.

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    • 71.101.223.76 wrote:

      Synapses does around 14k damage with 100% chance of crit for +3.4x on average it's 40K+ per second.

      Looks like you don't have idea of what you're talking about.

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    • I liked the part where the one of those builds with the least polarities/formas includes a maxed cleanse grineer mod instead of a critical or status mod.  lulz. Hashtag obvioustroll

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    • Pooptaco wrote: I liked the part where the one of those builds with the least polarities/formas includes a maxed cleanse grineer mod instead of a critical or status mod.  lulz. Hashtag obvioustroll

      why not write #ObviousTroll instead it's faster, plus I used A Lone Tennos' link to get the mods he "used" as a reference. The shotgun mod had cleanse grineer. #Pooptaco

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    • Pharuan Undearth wrote:

      Pooptaco wrote: I liked the part where the one of those builds with the least polarities/formas includes a maxed cleanse grineer mod instead of a critical or status mod.  lulz. Hashtag obvioustroll

      why not write #ObviousTroll instead it's faster, plus I used A Lone Tennos' link to get the mods he "used" as a reference. The shotgun mod had cleanse grineer. #Pooptaco

      Never said ya didn't.  But way to get mad about it. XD

      Also, wiki thought I was trying to make a numbered list, so I edited it to hashtag. lol  Smartass.

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    • Phage is a lot of fun, but if your at all interested in hitting weakpoints, Phage can't do it. When you focus the beams, they move in a wave. Course like one guy above me mentioned, this is rifle vs shotgun. Kind of like asking "Soma or Boar Prime?"

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    • Eeerm, Synapse build above is questionable.

      Instead of Speed Trigger, why not go for Hammer Shot?

      It would do more Damage/second by adding Critical Damage+Status Chance and Synapse with rank 3 Point Strike has a 100% Crit Chance anyway. So it'll result in a 5.6x Crit Multiplier.

      That's 1.2x Crit and 4% Proc/sec more than without Hammer Shot.

      My conclusion:

      1.2x is better than +60% Fire Rate which only gives 0.6 of Total Damage/second more,

      Damage wise and Ammo Efficience wise.


      Just wanted to add that^^

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    • ill add that to the build later but again i was using someones link to make the builds not my own or what i would use.

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    • STDef

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      Synapsedef

      Speed Trigger adds more to burst and sustained DPS then Hammer Shot, but Hammer Shot adds more to the Corrsive Damage and more to the total damge and adds a higer probability of "activating" corrode. But i would still use Speed Trigger because when I see an enemy I want it to look like swiss cheese when I'm done.

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    • Pharuan Undearth wrote:
      STDef

      vs.

      Synapsedef

      Speed Trigger adds more to burst and sustained DPS then Hammer Shot, but Hammer Shot adds more to the Corrsive Damage and more to the total damge and adds a higer probability of "activating" corrode. But i would still use Speed Trigger because when I see an enemy I want it to look like swiss cheese when I'm done.

      Speed Trigger uses tons of ammo, making Phage more outstanding in this comparison.

      Also Proc Chance isnt that good after the continuous weapon logic being changed. Therefore I prefer Infected Clip because of its a little bit higher DPS. (though you have to forma it again)

      According to dpsframe.com, Synapse can get at most 16k DPS with 6 forma while Phage can be easily modded into 24k.

      However, Synapse doesnt require charging, allowing you quickly take down light enemies while moving.

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    • Laplamgor wrote:

      According to dpsframe.com, Synapse can get at most 16k DPS with 6 forma while Phage can be easily modded into 24k.


      24k?

      what am i missing? enlighten me... i can only get to 17.8k...

      http://warframe-builder.com/Primary_Weapons/Builder/Phage/t_30_30032220_167-7-3-170-3-6-171-1-5-175-2-5-178-4-5-179-0-5-180-6-5-186-5-5_179-6-171-9-175-11-170-6-178-8-186-5-180-5-167-9/en/2-0-42/

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    • PS: glitch in Warframe Builder... correct 4 forma build: http://goo.gl/FJRCI6

      still only 21.6k

      where are your additional 10%?

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    • 89.1.40.25 wrote:
      PS: glitch in Warframe Builder... correct 4 forma build: http://goo.gl/FJRCI6

      still only 21.6k

      where are your additional 10%?

      I built it on dpsframe.com


      Point Blank

      Hell's Chamber

      Accelerated Blast

      Blaze

      Contagious Spread

      Charged Shell

      Shotgun Spazz

      Vicious Spread


      I think the main differences are Vicious Spread and Accelerated Blast

      Vicious Spread gives more dps than a 90% element mod.

      I cant comfirm how Accelerated Blast  works on it in-game. But if I remember correctly it works like an element mod and adds 60% TOTAL base damage to the Piercing, no matter the what types are the base damages. It is different from others Physical damage mods currently(maybe a bug), but I cant ensure if it works on Phage too or not.

      I dont have a client now. Sorry about that...

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    • ah. i see... hmm... 25.3k now...

      thanks, gotta think about that :) still only at 21, 3rd forma...

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    • so a little something like this Phage-Laplamgor

      but again need i point out this discussion is a comparison between a shotgun and a rifle.

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    • well, I must say, Shotgun and handgun always have better mods than rifles, so they are outweighted rifles when boths are fully modded

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    • 115.70.74.102 wrote:
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    • Long Story short:

      Phage is better. Less ammo consumption by far, 8k more damage at the highest end (19k per second Phage compared to 11k per secon Synapse).

      Same range, but 1 bullet/second base compared to 10 bullet/second (before speed trigger) means that the Phage will last you a lot longer, even with the increased rifle drops.

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    • ^ but synapse headshot deals 40k+, which is slightly higher than 38k by phage.



      and synapse does not require a charge up time.

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    • This shouldn't be an either/or question. Functionally they're very different. Synapse is a precision crit machine with high ammo consumption, whereas Phage is more like a focusable viral flamethrower. That said, for high level missions I'd choose Synapse; it rewards precision, skill and speed while Phage's brute force and slow speed yield increasingly diminishing returns.

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    • Synapse was, is and will remain useless. And now, it's even a deprecated relic. It's damage, electric, could be of interest prior to 2.0, but now it's nothing special, not more than any other. The fact that it can sync with mods doesn't matter(not to mention that Phage is Viral, meaning 3 total doubledamages) - in fact it can't be modified by physical mods, making it inferior. It's horrendous crit was always less interesting than of Soma, because Soma you can mod directly, while here you go over the cap, which wastes the points. Besides, Soma has slash damage, so when it procs - two corpse parts can both be Desecrated. So even between Synapse vs Soma, it's a question of useless pewtery vs easy and versatile weapon.

      But both are now outdated. With Boltor Prime, Marelok, Damage 2.0 and Jat Kittag, this fancy copycat of legendary Flux Rifle is not a practical idea. Go ahead, waste your mod slots on crit, trying to make the damage of Synapse remotely close to default damage of other weapons.

      http://goo.gl/cm4eO1 there, 12k sustained damage, capable of ammo management, AoE and single target burst. Quite easy to mod, only difficulties are(in my build) - Shell Shock and Contagious Spread. If you have both mods from stupid events - easy peasy.

      http://goo.gl/2qivbc (last slot for the utility you might want)- 9k+ sustained damage, incapable of ammo management(unless you take ammo mutation), single target.

      Two first 10-level mods make it barely worth considering. And that's about 2000 cores, 2million cash. Underleveled crit and two crit damage mods take slots that are supposed to make this weapon flexible, to affect it's damage.

      As people say, comparing rifle to shotgun is a bad idea. Like comparing CS 1.6 to Warcraft 3. But if you want a rifle - consider investing into Boltor Prime. Modless it has the damage of Synapse with it's full crit build(without Serration\HC). Or be a man and take Ogris(and not pussy Pentas), because that is what's going to get you through up to and through 100. Not Synapse, not even Phage. And below 100, you might as well forma Aklato, who cares.

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    • 93.100.52.231 wrote:
      Synapse was, is and will remain useless. And now, it's even a deprecated relic. It's damage, electric, could be of interest prior to 2.0, but now it's nothing special, not more than any other. The fact that it can sync with mods doesn't matter(not to mention that Phage is Viral, meaning 3 total doubledamages) - in fact it can't be modified by physical mods, making it inferior. It's horrendous crit was always less interesting than of Soma, because Soma you can mod directly, while here you go over the cap, which wastes the points. Besides, Soma has slash damage, so when it procs - two corpse parts can both be Desecrated. So even between Synapse vs Soma, it's a question of useless pewtery vs easy and versatile weapon.

      But both are now outdated. With Boltor Prime, Marelok, Damage 2.0 and Jat Kittag, this fancy copycat of legendary Flux Rifle is not a practical idea. Go ahead, waste your mod slots on crit, trying to make the damage of Synapse remotely close to default damage of other weapons.

      http://goo.gl/cm4eO1 there, 12k sustained damage, capable of ammo management, AoE and single target burst. Quite easy to mod, only difficulties are(in my build) - Shell Shock and Contagious Spread. If you have both mods from stupid events - easy peasy.

      http://goo.gl/2qivbc (last slot for the utility you might want)- 9k+ sustained damage, incapable of ammo management(unless you take ammo mutation), single target.

      Two first 10-level mods make it barely worth considering. And that's about 2000 cores, 2million cash. Underleveled crit and two crit damage mods take slots that are supposed to make this weapon flexible, to affect it's damage.

      As people say, comparing rifle to shotgun is a bad idea. Like comparing CS 1.6 to Warcraft 3. But if you want a rifle - consider investing into Boltor Prime. Modless it has the damage of Synapse with it's full crit build(without Serration\HC). Or be a man and take Ogris(and not pussy Pentas), because that is what's going to get you through up to and through 100. Not Synapse, not even Phage. And below 100, you might as well forma Aklato, who cares.


      1. I have never seen anyone using physical mods on their rifles for DPS. Physical mods, especially for rifles, are shitty because of the low damage boost %. All synapse fans love the pure element damage. How can you take it as a disadvantage?

      2. "waste your mod slots on crit, trying to make the damage of Synapse remotely close to default damage of other weapons." So you still havent realised crit weapon has an extra damage Multiplier, which makes its headshot deals 2 times more dmg than other weapons do. If you use your builds right here, synapse deals 35k for 1sec headshot but Phage only does 25k. Synapse can even crush Bolter Prime, if you can often get a headshot.

      3. You emphasized synapse is single target, but phage's spreading feature doesnt make it any better. Its damage is divided into many parts and not all the stream can land on enemies. So you cannot deal the max DPS before you focus the stream.

      4. Synapse cant pass 100? With a good team spaming their abilities it can still easily kill a lv100 corrupt heavy within 3 or 2 sec, orgis is slower anyway at any point of single target. 

      5. 2000 cores? you mean common 3 cores? I think many players with 500hr+ gameplay and two leg cores already get all maxed rare 10 mods that they need. Not a big deal.


      BTW, your Phage is just 13k while we are getting 20k+ here. It just proved that you are not really good at modding weapons, making your words less convincing here.

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    • An 8 forma Synapse (two to make it, and 6 put in it) is still the highest DPS weapon in the game if anything else was modded the same way. Electrical base damage is excellent because all the end game best combos can be built off of that damage type. It is good with ammo efficency and it has a unique apperance as well as the reload animation. Synpase is the ultimate weapon in the game but to be to that point you need to feed it the forma its a baby that will become a god and no weapon can match it. People who dont agree clearly dont understand the proper use of mods, aiming, and forma. Synpase is still the number one strongest dps potential with the forma. Boltor Prime would be second and the third would be Soma. I do love my phage thoughand I use it very often when I do not plan to play past level 50 enemies.

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    • 20k what, burst? By popping an event mod and shotgun spazz? Dude... Seriously...

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    • Alright then, this might be offtopic, but how exactly a weapon with merely 200% crit damage and unnecessaribly big crit chance, 50% - better than even Soma? Because of it's "pinpoint" accuracy? Electric damage? And what exactly are you saying with these headshots? They have additional multiplier? Well, that works for all weapons now, doesn't it? Or it scales somehow with crit? Then again, how isn't Soma better?

      As for Boltor Prime - are you seriously saying that a weapon that spends 3 mods to deal 50 damage as a crit will deal more damage than a weapon that spends 3 mods to deal 150+ damage as noncrit? I may be wrong, very wrong, but after reading all that "synapse is a god" things, I think I ain't the one who is stoned.

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    • 93.100.52.231 wrote:
      20k what, burst? By popping an event mod and shotgun spazz? Dude... Seriously...

      20.5K SUSTAINED DPS, No any event-exclusive mod, all mods are obtainable in-game currently.

      And did anyone ban shotgun spazz? Come on, why you always assume people cant get the mod?

      http://goo.gl/zqk6XI

      If you still dont understand the extra MP, look at this:

      http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Critical_Hit_(Mechanic)

      " When special bodypart is hit with crit: One more Crit MP is applied. "

      Or use a unmodded soma to test something on lv 1 grineer. Compare crit headshot and crit bodyshot. It is not just a double, its like a Fourfold or even more.



      BOLTER PRIME VS SYNAPSE

      "As for Boltor Prime - are you seriously saying that a weapon that spends 3 mods to deal 50 damage as a crit will deal more damage than a weapon that spends 3 mods to deal 150+ damage as noncrit? "

      Completely Wrong Logic. The other 5 mods are different. Your 3-modded boltor prime already used its serration and split chamber which are the mods giving the most significant increase in DPS while the 3 modded synapse didnt use its serration and split chamber yet. So your bolter cant get a big boost using 5 other mods, but synapse can.

      If your logic was right, we can always compare the base dmage to predict which one has the highest DPS when fully modded, but look at the fact. Different weapons have different scalability.



      SOMA VS SYNAPSE

      According to http://dpsframe.com/,

      SOMA can deal 13.6k per sec on grineer. (heavy cal, viral, bane, no speed tri)

      SYNAPSE can deal 13.2k per sec on grineer. (heavy cal, corrosive, bane, no speed tri)

      There is just about -3% in DPS, but SYNAPSE uses 33% less ammo and doesnt need to charge for the full ROF. Making SYNAPSE better if you dont care the range(fast frame, small map, etc). 

      On the other hand, Soma is better if you dont care ammo(a Nekros in squad, etc).

      They are nearly equally strong, but should be used in different situations.

      You cant keep using one weapon for all missions if you always want the best results.

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    • Laplamgor wrote:
      Pharuan Undearth wrote:
      STDefvs.

      Synapsedef

      Speed Trigger adds more to burst and sustained DPS then Hammer Shot, but Hammer Shot adds more to the Corrsive Damage and more to the total damge and adds a higer probability of "activating" corrode. But i would still use Speed Trigger because when I see an enemy I want it to look like swiss cheese when I'm done.

      Speed Trigger uses tons of ammo, making Phage more outstanding in this comparison.

      Also Proc Chance isnt that good after the continuous weapon logic being changed. Therefore I prefer Infected Clip because of its a little bit higher DPS. (though you have to forma it again)

      According to dpsframe.com, Synapse can get at most 16k DPS with 6 forma while Phage can be easily modded into 24k.

      However, Synapse doesnt require charging, allowing you quickly take down light enemies while moving.


      DPSframe is notoriously somewhat inaccurate... try warframebuilder instead.

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    • 50.113.40.245 wrote:
      Laplamgor wrote:
      Pharuan Undearth wrote:
      STDefvs.

      Synapsedef

      Speed Trigger adds more to burst and sustained DPS then Hammer Shot, but Hammer Shot adds more to the Corrsive Damage and more to the total damge and adds a higer probability of "activating" corrode. But i would still use Speed Trigger because when I see an enemy I want it to look like swiss cheese when I'm done.

      Speed Trigger uses tons of ammo, making Phage more outstanding in this comparison.

      Also Proc Chance isnt that good after the continuous weapon logic being changed. Therefore I prefer Infected Clip because of its a little bit higher DPS. (though you have to forma it again)

      According to dpsframe.com, Synapse can get at most 16k DPS with 6 forma while Phage can be easily modded into 24k.

      However, Synapse doesnt require charging, allowing you quickly take down light enemies while moving.


      DPSframe is notoriously somewhat inaccurate... try warframebuilder instead.

      Try reading my other posts, which used warframebuilder. Phage has better DPS theoretically.

      And Synapse is still better if you can have good mods and headshots.

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    • Phage is more controllable. Charge time is offset by a predictable beam pattern and the ability to actually aim through clusters of Lancers so you can kill that Eximus who's kicking Volt's ass across the room.

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    • Phage+Mirage need I say more?

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    • A Lone Tenno
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