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  • Hey guys! I want to get a new primary, specifically a shotgun, and my top 2 choices were the Sobek and the Hek. I know they're quite the same, and I have the mats to build both. Which one should I make?

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    • It depends on which playstyle or frame you prefer, from what I can tell of using both weapons.

      The sobek is very much a "kick in the door* style of shotgun, something made for sustained shots, with a really long reload time in between

      I consider it the defense and boss killing shotgun

      The hek, on the other hand. has the longest range of the shotguns, more damage, and more pellets, allowing for a larger variety of use.

      However it's low magazine  makes reloading somewhat of a chore mid fight

      Its a "tactical" shotgun.

      I think it to be- raid capture ect missions, when you need to do a large amount of damage from any distance to an enemy in the way.

      Thats just my two cents, however.

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    • Made the Sobek xD

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    • Personally a fan of the Sobek. Pretty fun to mess around with using fire rate mods (Accelerated Blast and Shotgun Spazz), as you can get a shotgun, shooting faster than a rifle :) Although you should focus on damage and ESPECIALLY get a reload speed mod (Tactical Pump).

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    • Accelerated blast ist enough on this gun. Get rid of Shotgun Spazz and focus on damage mods.

      If you put both mods on, you'll burn ammunition too quickly.


      And yes you made the good choice to craft the sobek over the Hek.

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    • For future reference to anyone else looking here:

      I should start by saying I love shotguns. I have Hek, Sobek, and Strun. Strun I've forma'd twice, with catalyst. Hek I've forma'd 3 times with catalyst. Sobek forma'd once with catalyst (meaning to do two other formas, just no time right now). I can say that the Hek is more of a general purpose shotgun, and I find when I REALLY need to bring the pain I'll bring the hek over the Sobek (at least in its current state). It has much better ammo efficiency and does very high damage upfront. The Hek and the Sobek have similar fire rates, so for the first 6 shots (assuming you're running ammo stock) you're going to be doing more damage than the sobek. Realistically that's enough to kill most bosses and enough to kill large swarms of enemies.

      The Sobek, though, my lord is it fun. That's the best thing I can say about this gun. It's fun as hell. More fun than the Hek which pretty much one-shots everything until rather high levels. Solo'd many nightmare corpus missions with my Frost Prime and Hek, and it continued to one shot corpus crewman until around level 70+. I'd imagine the Sobek to do well, but not that well. But, again, the best thing I can say about the Sobek is that it's fun as hell with some real mods behind it.

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    • sobek whipes the floor with hek.

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    • Bronco Prime

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    • I appreciate what the earlier guy said comparing 3 shotguns... but 6 blasts of the Hek is not enough to "kill most bosses" or even "clear most mobs". I ended up abandoning shotguns for the Snipetron vandal, as you can shoot from the hip and do insane damage just like a shotgun, BUT, having said that, the Sobek is better than the Hek (in my opinion ofcourse) because, yes, if you potatoe and forma guns they can all be great. Doing that takes a lot of time and effort.

      At their base starting point:

      Hek has 140 dmg * 4 shots (560)

      Sobek has 100 dmg * 20 shots (2000) 

      They both take long as hell to reload, and mods will make both shotguns beasts... but for my money, I'd rather pull the trigger twice more with the Sobek (to get to 600 damage that the Hek can almost do in 4 shots) and still have 14 more waiting in the barrell than be forced to reload.

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    • i like to one shot tougher enemies instead of standing there pumping shot after shot into them, especially ancients. i have vauban and i dont have time to sit there and shoot grapes at infested. ill stick with my overpowered hek. oh and the user above is an idiot the hek has the fasted reload speed of all the shotguns.

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    • Here's a good way to success any mission - get a Shade and a Sobek(PLEEEEEEEEEEASE, don't waste a mod slot on a Tactical Pump, it's too useless, just get more ammo/DPS) and it nulifies that problem with reloading it. So this transforms sobek into a godkilling machine of doom with only a single disadvantage - damage falloff, so no sniping sadly. 

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    • the reload speed is PAINFUL on the sobek, try using it without tactical pump with infested. i dont care how much damage you do, you dont have enough ammo in the clip to kill them all, and you could become stunlocked while taking an hour to reload. 

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    • Having Orthos solves the problem by wiping the remaining survivors ;-)

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    • 98.231.224.253 wrote:
      I appreciate what the earlier guy said comparing 3 shotguns... but 6 blasts of the Hek is not enough to "kill most bosses" or even "clear most mobs". I ended up abandoning shotguns for the Snipetron vandal, as you can shoot from the hip and do insane damage just like a shotgun, BUT, having said that, the Sobek is better than the Hek (in my opinion ofcourse) because, yes, if you potatoe and forma guns they can all be great. Doing that takes a lot of time and effort.

      At their base starting point:

      Hek has 140 dmg * 4 shots (560)

      Sobek has 100 dmg * 20 shots (2000) 

      They both take long as hell to reload, and mods will make both shotguns beasts... but for my money, I'd rather pull the trigger twice more with the Sobek (to get to 600 damage that the Hek can almost do in 4 shots) and still have 14 more waiting in the barrell than be forced to reload.

      ... Really?

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    • Ammo Stock max 32 shot per clip ammo mutation ==>no ammo matter, and you reload 4s each 32 hit. If you're a really high consumer then use shotgun scavenger aswell as aura and then accelerated blast flechette hells chamber blaze point blank and a damage mod of the faction you face. Try this on sobek and come tell me hek is better lol i sold it after sobek was realeased while it was forma twice with Strun Wraith and Sobek i just didn't see a place where I'd prefer use Hek. That's my opinion =)

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    • If you have Strun Wraith, I don't see any reason to use any other shotgun. It's so wastly overpowered compared to alternatives, and it's a big "FUCK YOU !" to everyone who couldn't participate in the event.

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    • Sobek is better in case of masses but ofc strun beats the shit out of everything ^^

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    • 188.167.89.52 wrote:
      If you have Strun Wraith, I don't see any reason to use any other shotgun. It's so wastly overpowered compared to alternatives, and it's a big "FUCK YOU !" to everyone who couldn't participate in the event.

      What a prick lol

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    • Your arguments are all invalid BRAKK FTW.

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    • Brakk isn't a typical shotgun lul...also u show me how u stack that much AP with a 2ndary + Dmg without a true accuracy decrease - My Brakk has 1400 dmg roughly (Not all Mods maxed yet) and Ice/AP/Fire dmg (Equal amounts to my Strun Wraith BUT 60% less AP) and still isn't able to kill elites faster, especially not Heavy Grineer (I even lack a dmg mod on my Wraith, got "only" 1050 dmg)

      Strun Wraith best weapon of choice when u have a Warframe with CC and if u solo a lot without being able to pull everything together to bomb with an Ogris, like Vauban (And no I don't think Ogris is a fun weapon at all)

      Wake me up when the Strun Wraith is nerfed i'd say

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    • Alright, I guess I'll wake you up then. The Strun Wraith is nerfed. 40 less damage among all the other nerfs. Not to mention the fact that if your Brakk can't take out heavy grineer and even elites as fast/faster than the Strun Wraith proves you're doing something wrong. Pre Update 11 Brakk could still kill things near the speed of strun wraith, and if you couldn't one shot Elites then you were DEFINETLY modding it wrong. But now after Damage 2.0 Brakk is the king of all secondary weapons in the game, and is a basically a pocket Strun Wraith before it got nerfed.

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    • With Damage 2.0, which shotgun is better? Hek vs. Sobek? or how about their differences?

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    • With all of the changes, Boar Prime's burst damage is more than twice than Hek's due to the fire rate, however Hek probably has better dropoff range than Boar Prime. That being said, Sobek has SLIGHTLY less dps than Hek, but they're both completely different damage types now (Hek = puncture, Sobek = impact), so you can consider them to be complementary, except you're going to spend way more time reloading Hek in general since it only has a four round magazine, so you have to make those shots count.

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    • Oh yeah, if we're speaking technically, Strun Wraith is still stronger than Hek but is a different damage type and also minor advantages. Boar Prime still outdps Strun Wraith, however it is less shot efficient.

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    • I typically would bring a Sobek to a survival, but a Hek to a defense. This is because I primarily play as Loki, making it  easier to quickly pick off High profile enemies with the Hek (While invisible).

      I use the Sobek on Survival Missions because I like It's Stun-locking and higher clip. Both of those factors come in handy, once you get past 30 minutes or so. 

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    • SOBEK IS BEAST

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    • SOBEK IS BEAST

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    • 178.191.167.51 wrote:
      Brakk isn't a typical shotgun lul...also u show me how u stack that much AP with a 2ndary + Dmg without a true accuracy decrease - My Brakk has 1400 dmg roughly (Not all Mods maxed yet) and Ice/AP/Fire dmg (Equal amounts to my Strun Wraith BUT 60% less AP) and still isn't able to kill elites faster, especially not Heavy Grineer (I even lack a dmg mod on my Wraith, got "only" 1050 dmg)

      Strun Wraith best weapon of choice when u have a Warframe with CC and if u solo a lot without being able to pull everything together to bomb with an Ogris, like Vauban (And no I don't think Ogris is a fun weapon at all)

      Wake me up when the Strun Wraith is nerfed i'd say

      Wake up ! They have nerfed it with damage 2.0 !

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    • Boar p says hi. 965/965  viral/radiation with 83% status. (multishot counted) Non dmg mod are ammo mutation and seeking force. Sobek has similar stats with a bit lesser crit/status and with twice more reload time and twice slower fire rate.

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    • 24.156.7.207 wrote:
      Bronco Prime

      AKbronco Prime

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    • 24.156.7.207 wrote:
      Bronco Prime


      THat is more of a shotgunesque pistol really.

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    • EVERYONE, STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING!


      Brakk... Enough said...


      (even though it kinda looks like you're holding a poop... lol)

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    • I prefer the appearance of the detron as long as we are on the topic of 'shotguns'... If you can even call the secondaries real shotguns?

      Although, it is always good to have a backup cqc weapon, for when your primary runs out of ammo, as opposed to having a shotgun primary, usualy if you're not too bright you would, while using one,  have to get closer than usual to an enemy... Which is why i stick ti rifles... Plus the mods are more common :P

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    • I use tainted kohm as a long range shotgun and detron as a close-mid range shotgun.

      shotgun is love.

      shotgun is life.

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    • ^

      I use Tainted Kohm as a long range shotgun and Detron as a close-mid range shotgun.

      Shotgun is love.

      Shotgun is life.

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    • i personaly find that the hek is the best shotgun seeing that i have it up to 6100 puncter as well as 1000 heat damage i can take it on tower 4 without any problems and still do more damage then my freands boltor prime by the end.

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    • An interesting aspect of the Hek versus Sobek argument is the effect of the Steel Meridian's reward mods. The multishot reward for the hek is light years better than that of the sobek. 200% more damage and +50 base status chance for the Hek versus a +20 to base status chance for the Sobek.  With this I would say the Hek is better than the Sobek.

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    • Personally, i prefer the Hek by now.

      The healing of Scattered Justice is extremly important in high level, since getting close will get you hit.

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    • I added to my shotgun collection after I enjoyed Boar Prime as a full auto shotgun mowing down anything it its path.

      Now switch between the Hek, Drakgoon, Kohm and Boar Prime with a strun wraith in dark recesses of my inventory.

      Mostly use the Hek for fun and the enjoyment of making my shots count, whereas the boar and kohm are more for clearing a few targets and moving on in the crowd, while the Drakgoon is somewhat of the fun card to bring.

      Honestly I don't remember the other shotguns at all, aside from the fact that shotguns have shit damage/feel when you're using them only for mastery fodder which was what I did at the time./

      Also, Silenced Brakk with punch-through is amazing. Sorry corpus crewman, but it appears the crate you were standing next to suddenly burst into shrapnel but no-one believes you or your corpse. +100% stealth affinity booster.

      Maybe someday I'll get them back to see if they're fun too. (Do note I use fun purely subjectively, free yourself from the constraint of others their opinions)

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    • you would think this would be more productive if you used blogs or the weapon pages to discuss this instead of using a thread that is 2 years old. 

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    • 66.58.129.88 wrote:
      It depends on which playstyle or frame you prefer, from what I can tell of using both weapons.

      The sobek is very much a "kick in the door* style of shotgun, something made for sustained shots, with a really long reload time in between

      I consider it the defense and boss killing shotgun

      The hek, on the other hand. has the longest range of the shotguns, more damage, and more pellets, allowing for a larger variety of use.

      However it's low magazine  makes reloading somewhat of a chore mid fight

      Its a "tactical" shotgun.

      I think it to be- raid capture ect missions, when you need to do a large amount of damage from any distance to an enemy in the way.

      Thats just my two cents, however.

      no. the sobek is more for defense, yes, but it's also just a better weapon for things like survival/etc. large waves of enemies. It's an automatic shotgun, it'll clear waves faster than the hek.

      the HEK is the boss killing weapon. my hek is full build, and hits 30k's per shot. it's definitely a cannon after the update. used to only hit like 12000's. it can easily one-two shot every boss in the game by now.

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    • I Agree Hek I Best And What About Tigirs I Want To Know Which Is Better Thinking Hek Coz It Has Puncture More Than Tigirs And I Can Modify The Damage Output Against Corpus Or Use Another Gun Or My Orthos Prime Which Is Best Meele Weapon In The Game

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    • Having recently finished leveling and modding the Hek, Tigris, and the Sobek, I think all three of them have different uses and each excel at their particular use. The most basic "best" of the lot is the Tigris. It does absolutley disgusting amounts of both physical and status damage, but it's limited in range and it's CC is pretty awful. I find it the best for killing big guys fast and just kicking out damage at all levels. On the other end of the spectrum is the Sobek. It isnt anywhere near as good as the Tigris for single target damage, but with Acid Rounds (which drops from Kella De Thaym) it is the single best crowd control shotgun in the game . (For lower level missions.) If youre doing a mission up to level 40 the Sobek kills things really hard, and thanks to Acid Rounds, one kill can wipe out an entire crowd of enemies. Thanks to all that and the 20 round clip the Sobek excels at crowd control, but only at lower levels. The Sobek has drastically lower damage than both the Hek and the Tigris and as a result falls off hard around the 40's. While not the best in all situations, the Sobek should not dare be overlooked, because when it's powerful, its a force of nature. So the Tigris is Single Target and the Sobek is CC, and the Hek falls comfortably in between. It does tons of damage that scales really well so it's viable at all levels (especially with its syndacate mod) but since it doesnt have the Tigris's limiting duplex firing pattern it handles crowds fairly well. It really is the best balanced shotgun in the game. But really what you want depends on what you're doing. If you need one dude dead, bring the Tigris. If you need a CC in the late game bring the Hek. If you're doing anything lower level bring the Sobek.   

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