• I feel like we sorely need more concrete information about how this mod works now that we have a consistent means of creating Health Orbs (Broken Scepter). So, I did some number crunching and came up with a few useful findings (apologies in advance if anyone else has posted this). 

    After some quick tests isolating the Health Conversion's affects on Warframe Powers, I confirmed that three Warframe abilities that use Armor in their calculations - Iron Skin, Snow Globe, and Warding Halo - all factor in Health Conversion the same way:

    Ability Health = (Base Health + Ability Modifier x ((Health Conversion x # of Stacks) + Warframe Base Armor x (1+Base Armor Bonus))) x (1+Power Strength) + Absorbed Damage

    Health Conversion Armor gets multiplied by both the Ability modifier and Power Strength, but not other Warframe mods like Steel Fiber, unless they affect total armor (e.g. Ironclad Charge). I assume that the mod behaves identically for the Warframes themselves (i.e. unaffected by base armor multipliers), but I have yet to confirm it. This is kind of a kick in the teeth for anyone trying to make an immortal "god" frame, but still leaves us with four powerful conclusions:

    First, it verifies that for Warframe Abilities, Health Conversion is stronger than both Iron Skin and Armored Agility put together, unless the Warframe's armor with mods can exceed 1350. The base armor required to achieve that is 520, which no frame other than Valkyr has, so at present Health Conversion is always the most effective. To illustrate this, let's juxtapose the Iron Skin of a Rhino Prime with only 3 Health Conversion stacks and Intensify with another that has Steel Fiber, Armored Agility, and Intensify:

    R HC3 30

    Rhino Prime with Intensify & 3 Health Conversion stacks


    6841.25 = (1200 + 2.5 x ((450x3) + 275 x (1+0)))  x (1+0.3) +0

    R SF AA 30

    Rhino Prime with Intensify and Steel Fiber+Armored Agility


    3838.25 = (1200 + 2.5 x ((450x0) + 275 x (1+1.55)))  x 

    (1+0.3) +0

    (HC is 1.78x stronger)

    Second, the disparity in efficacy remains proportional as Power Strength increases. For example, if the same Rhino Prime had 200% Power Strength (Intensify, Transient Fortitude, & Power Drift):


    R HC3 100

    Rhino Prime at 200% Power Strength w/3 Health Conversion stacks

    10525 = (1200 + 2.5 x ((450x3) + 275 x (1+0))) x (1+1.0) +0

    R SF AA 100

    Rhino Prime at 200% Power Strength w/Steel Fiber+Armored Agility


    5906.25 = (1200 + 2.5 x ((450x0) + 275 x (1+1.55)))  x 

    (1+1.0) +0

    (HC is 1.78x stronger)

    ...and at 290% (+R9 Blind Rage)


    R HC3 190

    Rhino Prime at 290% Power Strength w/3 Health Conversion stacks

    15261.25 = (1200 + 2.5 x ((450x3) + 275 x (1+0)))  x (1+1.90) +0


    R SF AA 190

    Rhino Prime at 290% Power Strength w/Steel Fiber and Armored Agility

    8562.25 = (1200 + 2.5 x ((450x0) + 275 x (1+1.55)))  x (1+1.90) +0

    (1.78x stronger)

    Third, the disparity changes based on the armor strength of the warframe. The lower the warframe's base armor, the greater the disparity between Health Conversion and Steel Fiber/Armored Agility (i.e. it's strongest on Nezha and Rhino, decent on Rhino Prime, and least effective on Frost and Frost Prime). To illustrate this, here's a look at Nezha using the same three power strength values:

    130% Power Strength


    HC3 30

    Nezha w/Intensify & 3 Health Conversion stacks

    6126.25 = (900 + 2.5 x ((450x3) + 175 x (1+0))) x (1+0.3) +0


    SF AA 30

    Nezha w/Intensify & Steel Fiber+Armored Agility

    2620.3125 = (900 + 2.5 x ((450x0) + 175 x (1+1.55))) x (1+0.3) +0

    (2.34x stronger)

    200% Power Strength


    HC3 100

    Nezha w/200% Power Strength and 3 Health Conversion stacks

    9425 = (900 + 2.5 x ((450x3) + 175 x (1+0))) x (1+1.0) +0


    SF AA 200

    Nezha at 200% Power Strength w/Steel Fiber+Armored Agility

    4031.25 = (900 + 2.5 x ((450x0) + 175 x (1+1.55))) x (1+1.0) +0

    (2.34x stronger)

    290% Power Strength


    HC3 290

    Nezha at 290% Power Strength w/3 Health Conversion stacks

    13666.25 = (900 + 2.5 x ((450x3) + 175 x (1+0))) x (1+1.90) +0


    SF AA 290

    Nezha at 290% Power Strength w/Steel Fiber+Armored Agility

    5845.313 = (900 + 2.5 x ((450x0) + 175 x (1+1.55))) x (1+1.90) +0

    (2.34x stronger)

    The fourth and final conclusion is that if you're using Health Conversion, then you probably don't need Steel Fiber or Armored Agility. Unless you're playing Frost (a frame with high Armor), the amount of extra armor you'll get from Steel Fiber and or Armored Agility is pretty negligible. I'm honestly getting tired of running calcs on this, but I'll plug them in if you want to see them. I still need to isolate Health Conversion's interactions on Atlas (Tectonics & Rumblers), but in theory it should be least effective on him due to his high base armor. 

    Anyway, hopefully that clarifies somewhat the specific effects of Health Conversion. You should still only use it on frames that can easily retain their health stacks, or when you have a Nekros to keep a steady supply of health orbs. But, on those frames (Rhino, Nezha, & Nekros) you should absolutely be using Health Conversion instead of Steel Fiber. If you have any more examples of/calculations for Warframe ability interactions with Health Conversion or strategies for using the mod, feel free to share! 

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    • Thanks for the explanation. Been using it on nehza as it "seemed" like the best mod choice. Thanks for the objective data to back up my choice

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