EragonA1 wrote:
Ordis is the answer to the one section of the lore of Warframe, and his voilent personality is the key
"Well put together, Operator, now get out there and - cut down the - and make the Lotus proud."
It all centers around that quote that I heard about 20 minutes before posting this. The Lotus, who we now know as Natah, hacked Ordis and gave him certain things to say that made Operator realize that the Orokin were bad and when the Frames slaughtered the Orokin it was one of 2 people controlling them when they did it, 1. It was Ordis remotely controlling them or 2. It was lotus remotely controlling them. This would explain their behavior when at that final ceremony and before the Operators were put into their sleep that was the last thing the heard “NOW GET OUT THERE AND CUT DOWN THE OROKIN” Then they were put to sleep by Natah and Ordis' true behavior is the one we see most times
Do you remember the old war operator?
(What a peculiar question to ask. Of course if the Operator did remember the old war, the extent of all that the Operator could remember of it would still be extremely limited to memory of working with Margulis, training and education provided by Dax, and the battles, operations, and experiences of fighting and undertaking missions. There would really not be much to remember. And there would be precious little, if anything at all, that would be of relevance to the present state of things.)
Ordis SEEMS to have misplaced those memories.
Really? Well to whom does that seem to be so? And does Ordis seem to have misplaced Ordis' memories or the Operator's memories?
If Ordis did misplace them, then there are only so many places where they could actually be, and so it should be well within all possibilities of reason to determine whether or not they were misplaced (and therefor do exist), or were not misplaced (having looked in every place where they could possibly be, and finding that they are not in any of them) and therefor do not exist.
Those memories may seem to have been misplaced, but they have not. They do not exist. There is no living memory of "the old war," because there never was an "old war."
We have been to every Orokin ship and tower in the void, been in every Orokin derelic, been to every part of Lua, rebuilt Tenno PRIME weapons and tools as they had been, and built Tenno crafted weapons also, along with some Gifts From the Lotus. And of everything that has been seen, there is nothing of the Tenno from the weapons, to the places made especially to facilitate the Tenno on Lua, to anything within any Orokin environment, nothing shows one thing which is singularly unique - the symbol of The Lotus (and now, likewise the shared symbol for the Tenno, as led by The Lotus).
There is no question as to the abundantly present semiotic adjuncts to the Lotus/Tenno symbol, across and throughout everything that is Orokin. But THAT symbol is completely absent. It is something singularly unique and bound to the Tenno and Lotus as symbiotic counterparts.
That symbol was created by/for the Lotus.
It is engrained into the weapons which are her gifts, or those of Tenno contemporaries which were designed in the present era, and not on any "old war" weapon crafted by the Tenno or Orokin.
But it is emblazoned on everything that can show it, everywhere, throughout the ship which is Ordis' sole (soul?) domain.
This ship is not from "the old war."
And the existing relationship between Ordis and The Lotus, who are already so immediately more familiar and conversant with one another than the operator is with either of them after "waking," was not established during "the old war."
There was no "old war."
But, in order to understand what the actual circumstances of this universe/world are, it is imperative that we accept the fabricated past, history, "lore," as though it is either true, or real, or both.
In order to figure out why the history underlying the simulation which the Operators (as our proxies) inhabit is being invented (as it continuously is), we have to subject it to scrutiny, and be meticulously thorough about both what the data IS, and what it does and does not explicitly and implicitly reveal.
There is every reason to accept the very detailed codex entries found in the accounts from Rhino Prime, Mag Prime, Ember, and Excalibur as canonical, so long as we do not overextend how we interpret that data for the benefit of what we would like for it to say, by omitting that which it does show which we do not understand.
Rhino Prime is the most gratuitous example of the proclivity to do just that.
"Everything in ORDIS operator? Is that a Punnnnnn?"
Of course it is. But that's not all that it is.