No but seriously, new feature being rolled out that we need help from all those who are willing! See my blog for more information, and feel free to reply here, on the blog, or on my message wall for more information!
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The 6 year grave-dig... is this thread pinned/highlighted somewhere I can't see?
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If anybody has a solution to only make gifs load when interacted with (mouse over, click, etc.), that would be such a useful solution to the wiki on many pages. I've been trying to find a solution to this for years and nothing has come up.
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Lol everybody has the right to rant/vent. It's just helpful if you label it that way :p
I think it's fine for editors of other languages to contribute what they can, and then anybody else with more language familiarity can clean it up for them. If you find yourself overwhelmed with a project or a particular user, try reaching out to the admin/mod team, or the user themselves, to try and spread the load of the project. There are lots of us out here ready to help, just give a hollar!
Thanks for your contributions!
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I saw an article somewhere about how waiting for a webpage to load was comparable to the stress gained by watching a horror movie. (Google is your friend!, turns out it was more about how video/streaming delays cause this level of stress, but waiting for a page to load could be easily comparable, especially with page interruptions while attempting to read it). I'd hate for wikia to be the primary driver in this association, or to have a tangible effect on its users health, lol
Engie has brought up a very extensive list of issues, many of which I was even unaware with even though I have been talking with her and several other admins/mod's about the issue on a regular basis. She's done a great job taking ownership of projects such as discussion and this current issue with advert's even though they're issues that are really out of her control. Good job Engie!
P.S.: sorry if this is a double post, I pushed publish on my last draft and nothing showed up, even after page purge >:(
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BertH wrote: I certainly did not mean to give any user the impression that mod rights could be granted without going through an approval process. But I do want to encourage the admin team to have an open mind and be willing to adjust the process a little bit, since Discussions is a new type of contribution. Hopefully with the addition of the Discussions post count to the wiki profile, it's a little easier to see where and how much those users are active. And I certainly encourage Discussions users to start exploring wiki editing by filling out your wiki profile page, to help the editors know more about who you are.
ArcticEngie wrote: But anyhow to the final issue raised, without any sort of segregated moderation role that we can use for /d/ (which was raised in the initial post) it makes an already alien environment incredibly hostile to seek active and guideline following users out for a position, we have had to recruit a moderator that had experience within our Wikia Terms of use but not within /d/ to moderate /d/ simply due to that we have no separation within the roles, it is fine to ask us to simply tell them not to use their powers elsewhere, but if that is the case we have Chat moderator specifically for this between the chat and Wikia
I think another thorn in our side with this is that many of the candidates aren't really moderator material. From the three or four that have applied and I've looked into their history, they were prone to being baited into flame wars and generally lacked the moderation skills to keep a situation calm without having any powers to back themselves. This would lead me to the conclusion that they would lean too heavily on their new-found powers and possibly aggravate current situations. The fragile state of the app wouldn't help this situation due to lack of history, logs, warning messages, etc. (as mentioned by Engie).
The obvious solution is mentor-ship for these members. On the main wiki, I love finding people who come to me for help and mentoring these users on how to handle a heated situation, learning how to code, etc.. However, with /d/, it's more like "Hey you, can you go colonize America while I sit back here in Europe? Good luck!" Which means you'll want somebody who's already equipped for the job since it's hard to mentor somebody from such a (metaphorical) distance.
Ironically, throughout this whole process I've been mentoring Engie and allowing her to be the forward voice while I stepped back and empowered her to handle it, of which I think she's done a fabulous job thus far. (Ok let's be honest, I was lazy and pushed it on to her, but still, A+ to Engie for your first big crisis!) I'd love to do this with some /d/ users, but I have no inclination to interact with /d/ (it's a personal thing: I don't like interacting with communities, I'm more of a background and when needed admin :3) and thus would need them to come to me for mentoring rather than me trying to chase them down to babysit.
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Thanks for the in-depth reply, no hard feelings about its latency <3
When I get home tonight I'll revisit some of our past discussions and see what tangible steps we can take to move forward.
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Characteristics and Notes sections do have very heavy standardization backing them. If you want, I could find Twilights's post on it if you'd like. (found it: User_blog:Twilight053/Common_Mistakes_on_Weapon_Characteristics
Trivia section is just that, a location for users to dump random information that may be relative in any way to the topic.
User builds section is there to advertise builds users may have for a weapon. Regardless of if we are the leading competitor in this market, we still provide the functionality for users who wish to use it.
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Thanks for checking in on us Czech. I've left a reply over here and would like to talk out some technical details over there (where I can get notifications on the thread T.T). Anybody else who would like to join in on the fun, feel free! :D
Otherwise I'll be returning to this thread once I have some non-technical things to announce (like "yay we finally conquered the mighty and ferocious infobox that was born out of my infancy of coding knowledge?")
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Just going to link this since I see we're looping around and around again: User blog:Brizingr5/Philosophically Logical Approach to Balance Concepts (read it as though the Corpus were a team of players, not just from the actual players perspective).
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I never equip endurance mods unless the build involves taking damage on purpose (rage, equilibrium, etc.). So no, I don't think I'd categorize my experience as being buffered by high end mods.
I also use vectis way too much to be healthy (http://puu.sh/o8UmY.png), so I think it's pretty fair to say that I use a lot of skill/mechanics based gameplay, not raw gimmicks (even though I love theory crafting + using them as well). Normally I'm cruising around with a nova not using any abilities or endurance mods at all >.>
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I feel like just dropping the elitist card and saying I've never had a problem with bursa's at any level (including lvl 150+'s or any sortie mission). I enjoy the unique approach required to killing them, but I get annoyed sometimes at their inconsistency towards cc.
At the end of the day, the moto really is true: "Ninja's play free" everybody else needs to man up <3
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I stopped reading around 4 posts after the screenshots. Agree to disagree, you both have made your very valid points and are no longer being productive.
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Thanks for the update. I personally prefer templates to flags since I'm much more familiar with them and it's a more standardized. Either way, sorry the project didn't work out. Look forward to more details.
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Hey guys, getting back to attempting to work on some stuff again. Sorry for the long break in communications, but the holiday season has been pretty crazy for us too :(
Anyway, I think I have a few more questions:
We've made a "sum" field for our group to sum up the total of each damage type:
<group layout="horizontal">
<header>Normal Attacks</header>
<data source="impact damage"><format>{{Icon|Proc|Impact}} {{{impact damage|}}}</format></data>
<data source="puncture damage"><format>{{Icon|Proc|Puncture}} {{{puncture damage|}}}</format></data>
<data source="slash damage"><format>{{Icon|Proc|Slash}} {{{slash damage|}}}</format></data>
<data source="elemental damage"><format>{{Icon|Proc| {{{elemental damage type|}}} }} {{{elemental damage|}}}</format></data>
<data source="total damage">
<default>{{#if: {{{impact damage|}}}{{{puncture damage|}}}{{{slash damage|}}}{{{elemental damage|}}} | '''Σ''' {{#expr: {{{impact damage|0}}} + {{{puncture damage|0}}} + {{{slash damage|0}}} + {{{elemental damage|0}}}}}|}}</default>
</data>
</group>
So, if {{{impact damage|}}}, {{{puncture damage|}}}, or {{{slash damage|}}} are passed an empty value when transcluded:
{{WeaponU17
| physical damage = 24 //can be empty
| impact damage = //is empty and works fine
| puncture damage = word // will break the expression, but will trigger the field to activate
}}
the field functions as intended (the value is just omitted from both the expression equation and the data field itself). In fact, the entire group will hide if all 3 are passed empty values, as would be expected. However, the {{{elemental damage|}}} fields will throw an error "Expression error: Missing operand for +." for the expression if it is empty, like so:
| elemental damage type = //will break the icon template call if empty, but not effect the template otherwise | elemental damage = //if empty, will throw an error. If value is passed, will work as intended
I would expect it to use the default value of 0 when not passed a value; instead we currently have to comment out the field on the trunsclusion page to prevent it from receiving the null value.
Is there a better way to do this whole process? Is there a solution to the current problem (other than commenting out the field unless explicitly being used (which looks kind of ugly on the pages being edited by users (not everybody knows what is (even I only learned it recently :3 ) ) ) )
Again, here are the pages being worked on:
- Template:WeaponU17 infobox page
- User:Brizingr5/Testpage4 test viewing page
- Template:WeaponInfoboxU11 currently live infobox (for reference)
P.S.: Please post a message on my wall if you reply, I'm still not getting notification from this thread even though I am following it (maybe we should start a new thread?)
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Twilight053 wrote:
Brizingr5 wrote:
Can we <span style="text-align:right;"></span> the percentages? They look really dumb right now having the same repeated text constantly out of alignment :/
Can we <span style="text-align:right;"></span> the percentages? They look really dumb right now having the same repeated text constantly out of alignment :/
Span doesn't work with in-line, so I use Div instaed.
o... well w/e fixes the problem I guess, lol
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Can we <span style="text-align:right;"></span> the percentages? They look really dumb right now having the same repeated text constantly out of alignment :/
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CzechOut wrote:
Brizingr5 wrote: -snip-
- Not sure what you mean. <!-- --> works for me. Do you have a link to a place where you've found it not to work?
- Headers only show up as long as they're in a group which has variables with assigned values. So
<group><header>1970s appeal</header><data source="funky"><label>Level of funk</label></data></group>results in a box that will only have the header 1970s appeal if the variable funky has a value. Again, if you're finding this not to be the case, please gimme a link, and I'll try to help you out more specifically. - There are a few ways to achieve a data value across the entire width of your infobox. You've already achieved this, though, with your "Normal Attacks" section, by setting your group layout to horizontal, and by having only one variable within the group. However, because you guys haven't used our /Draft functionality I'm not quite sure what non-PI this /Draft is meant to replace, so I may not be addressing your concerns exactly. Please feel free to re-ask if I've not answered your question.
- If your comments are about ways to improve Portable Infoboxes, by all means feel free to leave them here. But if they're actually about the editor itself, you'd probably be better off filing a Special:Contact.
- http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Template:WeaponU17?diff=prev&oldid=1144429
this might have something to do with the fact I was trying to put more <!--'s within the comments as new start sections when I removed the previous comment start? It works correctly in other compilers (visual studio) so I was confused why it wasn't working here. If this still doesn't make sense I'll draft up an explicit example of what I'm talking about and what I think the issue was. - Oh ok, so I need to put them in a group first. I'll try that.
- I was referring to the final field at the very bottom of our template:WeaponInfoboxU11
- Alright, if I remember what I was going to say I'll drop them a line. :P
Pinkachu wrote: Brizingr5 and ChickenBar , how are the conversions going? Due to the upcoming holidays, the availability of our engineers and coders could become limited later in the month, so if there are still questions or concerns, please let us know soon!
I think CzechOut has done a pretty good job of answering most of our technical questions. I think we have a few internal decisions to make still (like what fields are we going to keep, etc.), but I'm feeling pretty optimistic that our (potentially) most complicated infobox is actually coming along quite smoothly at this point.
Sorry for the delayed reply. Even though I am following this thread it's not giving me notifications. If you really want a reply from me you should probably bump me on my wall to make sure I see any new messages here. Sorry for the inconvenience :/
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