Talk:Ember/@comment-24.231.123.84-20191112230644

So looking through the comments you'll notice a trend...

People who think the rework is good don't give an explanation why, they just make vague statements and say "good at high level" and think the pointless mechanics are good. For all we know their "high level" is Sedna, not even close to true high level/end-game.

They ignore or insult anyone who points out how unfair ember's DR "balancing act" mechanic is unfair while frames like mesa and gara just cast & forget. Just to be clear, if EVERY frame had to do some balancing act for its DR skill this would be fine. Making Ember have to balance her DR, when she was the ORIGINAL "fire and forget" DR tank with her Overheat skill, without making a wide change to all frame DR skills to use a similar mechanic, is just bs.

These people likely get carried in end-game (sorties, arbitrations, elite onslaught) and think the star-chart is valid testing grounds. They complain about meta-slaves while those "meta slaves" are carrying them through high-level fissures. Basically they're the lazy hipsters of WF.

People who point out the rework is bad give very lengthy, detailed and thought-out explanations of why it's bad. They point out why her mechanics are unfair or unreliable, ways to improve them, unfair frame-bias like SarynP vs EmberP energy difference, how frames like Saryn and Mesa are ez mode nukes while Ember is horribly inefficient and needs far too many mods for far too little impact.

Gee I wonder who's opinions are more valid...the people who say "ember good mkay" or the people who write a gosh dang mini college essay about each and every aspect of ember's rework, how it could be improved, and why it's bad or pointless to use her over other frames that do the job better.

If a rework leaves a frame with no role that isn't either pointless or done better by every other frame or weapon, then your rework is bad. Even Mag is a much better armor-strip and energy-management frame, ontop of providing great support and CC, and she doesn't need any augments or even arcanes to be useful. Armor strip isn't a justification because armor is easily worked-around or straight up taken out by several methods.

Fashion isn't enough to justify Ember's lousy current kit. Roll her back to 2013 Ember, she'd be x100 better. Augments shouldn't make a frame usable, they should specialize them.