Talk:Gara/@comment-174.131.73.54-20171230134423/@comment-174.131.73.54-20180101190820

"  What end game are you talking about"

​Enemies beyond sortie level.

"how many Vitrify-Shatter loops does it take to feel effective?"

​I go through 1-2 loops per wave of defense. If I'm not killing enemies fast enough I loop more until my damage is caught up. I'm using zenurik so it supplies enough energy for 1 loop. If it's infested, you should be able to pretty much instantly kill anything up to about wave 70 or 80 in akkad. Grineer have armor so you need to build up both the puncture and slash for them, and not just slash like you would for infested. You'll still need something to damage Nox since they can tank splinter storm.

It's still risky though. If you get past wave 80 in akkad and you lose your damage it could take like 10 or 20 minutes of dropping energy pads and constantly looping to get it back! And if you lose it at wave 90-100+ you're screwed.