Talk:Ember (Warframe)/@comment-186.15.66.65-20130514203134/@comment-98.219.225.192-20130516180942

You can't trust the reported damage from excalibur because he overkills the hell out of low hp units like the basic infested swarms. It's easy for excalibur to have far more dmg than anyone while still having only a fair share, or fewer, of the kills. Ember's not a great 2nd frame, excalibur is certainly better for starting players, but she's very strong later on when you can get some of the rarer mods and bump them up a bit (like what another commenter suggested).