Talk:Excalibur/Umbra/@comment-2A02:C7D:AF1E:4200:3062:FB04:9621:33E0-20180101153136/@comment-2001:1970:501A:7800:4D5F:52E3:9DBA:49F2-20180107220743

If you listen to Ballas talking in the teaser it can be speculated that he is speaking to Margulis. The Pre quest shows lotus being taken. It could possible because umbra means shadow, they are a special type of frame possibly to get her back from Ballas. Though its odd I remember most if not all orokin being dead except for the grineer queen.