Talk:Hate/@comment-65.46.24.6-20130710045334/@comment-222.254.181.48-20130714040708

I disagree with you. If you read orthos page, you will see its charge speed much faster than Hate. If you use them in game, you may feel Hate faster, but thats just your feeling, because Hate charge part action fast but take long time.

The pros of Orthos over Hate : longer range, hit 5 mobs aoe, slide attack better damage, faster, cheaper, easier to get.

The pros of Hate over Orthos : stagger Ancient, aoe knock-down (but slow animation), bigger base damage, more benefit from Fury mod than orthos, better hit box (use it in game you will understand)