Talk:Valkyr/@comment-34610875-20180411231041/@comment-97.113.93.118-20180724062357

Are we just going to ignore the Excalibur Umbra stuff, which seems to pretty definitively show that the frames are capable of independent thought/actions, depending on if they are hooked up to a Tenno. I could be wrong, I found the quest somewhat confusing, and didn't really understand whether it was the frame acting up, or that it was permanently hooked up to some Tenno gone brain-dead because of Ballus. If it was just the frame, then was Isaah the frame's son? It seems from the memories that Ballus turned a Tenno/Human/whatever into the Excalibur Umbra using the infestation, which would also explain the scene where we can see that Umbra's face is cut open and actually has eyes and such. But if that's the case, how can the Operator control them? Are they controlling a frame or are they controlling a person that was mutated into a frame? Is Umbra even a frame? Are all of the frames like that? Are they all just humans that were infected and happened to mutate into the finely-tuned 'beings' that we call warframes?

I just kinda got myself on a rant, but my point is that its not really all that clear whether all or just some of the frames have their own consciousness, like Umbra.