Talk:Loki (Warframe)/@comment-67.160.84.202-20130422051651/@comment-68.106.143.26-20130422223535

Sorry, but Ash is a weaker version of Loki as it stands now.

Shuriken isn't worth using 25 energy for when you can just spend 10 more energy for a Smoke Screen and kill more targets. On a boss- it's debatable, but you need a larger power pool to make it effective, Flow mod being ideal.

Loki's Decoy can be placed behind cover and it'll still draw their attention. They'll even be lured towards it completely oblivious to you. Loki can also use his Decoy to Switch Teleport anywhere he wants, something Ash can't do. He can only Teleport to certain targets.

Loki's Helmet in combination with Streamline also makes his Invisibility last longer, cost the same as default Smoke Screen, and Loki has a much larger Power Pool than Ash will ever be able to hope for. Ash might be able to use Streamline as well, but Loki will still have a much larger power-pool, meaning Loki can use Invisibility more often and longer than Ash can with Smoke Screen.

Loki also has a faster movement speed than the so-called 'ninja' called Ash.

The only thing Ash has over Loki right now is Blade Storm and his bulkiness, because Radial Disarm is near pointless to use. Why disarm everyone when Decoy behind a wall will keep them from firing on you anyways? It's only really good for killing a bunch of Infested in one blow. Blade Storm is much better, but that's really all Ash has going for him.

Ash is more durable than Loki, but his skills are vastly inferior to most of Loki's. Shuriken can kill maybe 2-3 enemies if you aim just right. A Loki with Paris bow can do the exact same thing, and Decoy can distract an entire wave of enemies.

Smoke Screen costs less, but it's shorter and Loki has access to his large power pool, and his helmet, meaning his Invisibility can cost 35 Power as well. Also- the stun on Smoke Screen is completely pointless when you can't even be hurt in Invisibility to begin with. The smoke is even a hinderance to your team mates in close corridors, they won't be able to see anything. Also you're wrong; Loki has invincibility and can't be knocked back when he's activating Invisibility, same thing for Smoke Screen, which is another reason why the stun is pointless. If it stunned for like.. 3 seconds, then yeah. But as it stands, it's completely pointless.

Ash's Teleport is situational while Loki can Switch Teleport to a decoy he put up on a ceiling somewhere for 50 Power, lower if he has his helmet and Streamline. If he doesn't want to teleport an enemy away, that's all he has to do. Also- his teleport has less delay after it's finished. Ash's has a huge ass delay that prevents speedy kills after a Teleport.