Talk:Nyx/@comment-180.190.174.82-20190721001614/@comment-31848479-20190724084547

It kind of proves that weapons makes the majority of frames obsolete these days. There is very few frames that deal as much damage as a meta weapon, and the ones that do are just way too much effort to use. So the average player would rather just make already god tier weapons even better. Also, while I agree with Frost, Oberon applies a base armor debuff that is stackable with itself. so you only need ~170% PS to completely tear the armor of enemies with two casts of Reckoning. Which isn't that hard saying you need PS to use Renewal anyways, and duration isn't very important for the synergy. It's more costly then the four frames you mentioned though so I'll give you that as well. Also I forgot about Hydroid..kinda sad because Hydroid is comparable to Nyx and Vauban now.