Talk:Excalibur/@comment-67.219.123.235-20180706193245/@comment-2607:FCC8:F740:FE00:B8E3:15DD:E41A:4655-20180716064357

to be honest i see umbras as proto-frames, the first of their line, the primes as the finished product and the"standard" ( non-prime, non-umbra) frames as mass produced models. meaning that umbras and primes are human, but the "standard" frames are just downgraded clones of the primes. the only differance between umbras and primes, i would say, is umbras still retain a sense of self and primes have had everything striped away and are just "empty" shells.