Talk:Ash (Warframe)/@comment-72.64.217.68-20140102054846/@comment-77.167.191.171-20140107234750

But Loki doesn't do a whole lot of damage and isn't as survivable when visible; Rhino, Saryn and Nova don't become invisible, and their ultra's can't be executed 50+ meters away; Loki's invisibility costs more to execute and doesn't have the nockback/stagger effect (which is usefull if you goofed yourself into a corner -which, admittedly, shouldn't happen- ); Rhino is slow as ****, which is really annoying.

Ash is a unique package (all the frames are, good job DE) and even though I'm only rank 5 I'm having a lot of fun with him. Is he the best or worst? I don't know, I just enjoy the combination of things this frame has to offer.

As for playstyle being a factor ... when comparing Ash to Rhino for instance, I'm forced to make a lot more splitsecond decisions: "can I stay here or do I teleport over there, do I take down the room with a timeconsuming ultra or can my weapons do it far quicker?" etc. Preaching to the choir here because of course you know all that, but there seems to be a much longer learning curve involved here than with certain other frames, because Ash is that flexible. This is something I like, and maybe he's not a powerhouse, but he's hardly useless. Maybe he needs a buff in the next rebalance, but he doesn't need an overhaul. It's nice to have a frame that keeps you on your toes like this.

The only thing I can't find a use for is the Shuriken skill, as a weapon quickly does far more damage.