Talk:Despair/@comment-93.36.106.54-20130527191810/@comment-92.40.253.63-20130528233858

Yeah I also get weird numbers when using No Return on these, more noticeable when playing online.

Without it, and just 100% multishot, I get 2 198's on the Kiste Grineer, one for each knife. However, when I put No Return on I get numbers ranging from ~88 to 130, and it's not all that clear how many there are. And I do sometimes still see the 198 back too...

With AP mod I sometimes seem to get additional 40-50's dmg numbers, but this doesnt seem to be worth it over losing 60dmg from each base hit; if these damage numbers are correct then I really don't understant how they work.

Also, with AP mod these shred the heavy grineer shields for dmg numbers ~310 per hit. So yeah, its really not clear to me how No return effects these and whether or not it's worth it...