Talk:Ogris/@comment-79.136.50.249-20130825195940/@comment-24.7.112.241-20130902180923

I haven't used Ogris much (I have it -non forma) and i aint going all out on non-armor ignore weapons  (can't imagine them go against 200+ level enemies -i always use torid)

try lvl100 ancient damage reduction for example

from Armor page damage calculation and I believe toxic ancient has 150 base armor

Total Armor = base armor + base armor * .01 * (current level - base level) ^ 1.40


 * copied this from one of the post there

150 + (150 * .01 * (100-10)) ^ 1.4 150 + 135 ^ 1.4 150 + 960.4

1110 armor, thrown into the mitigation formula:

100 / (1110 + 100) 100 / (1210)

so about 8% for any inc damage 3000+ damage should be reduced to 200-300

while Torid(mine, 4 formas) will do about 2000-2500 aoe dps for all levels. of course it will take more time to take higher lvl enemies down but for non-armor ignore weapons i think it's impossible(as i said i never reach there with non-armor ignore weapon)

i understand that Torid has smaller aoe and it takes time to reach the full dps but still

you can't compare non-armor ignore weapons damage output with armor ignore weapons for endless defense mission

PS: imho