Talk:Saryn/@comment-104.221.19.35-20160326012958/@comment-27197089-20160508183458

Some Lone Tenno brought up Venom Dose as the best group buff in the game, which it's not. It doesn't even beat the lowest meta buff which is Rhino's Roar. It comes close but once you count the difference in bleed damage Roar is superior.

I think Saryn needs Venom Dose after a certain period. There comes a point when you're only option is to buff weapon damage and if Saryn doesn't join in; the whole group suffers. It's not really about the damage Saryn does looking at the %damage or your kills, it's about the group as a whole. In most the high duration missions I've done everyone ends up pretty close in damage and kills. usually the CC frame has a little less because they have to keep ideal position for their CC coverage.

I don't think you really need a control since I was directly comparing Saryn with other meta frame buffs. CC + Banshee + Nova + Rhino and CC + Banshee + Nova + Saryn. I feel Rhino is the idea subject replacement for her since she has no chance of replacing Nova or Banshee in terms of damage buffs and obv she can't fill a CC roll.

Directly comparing the two you have Viral proc which looses value over time, Venom Dose which is slightly less than Roar and Spore's ambient damage. Added together her group damage value is the same or slightly higher than Rhino due to using weapons that generally have less than top DPS but she lacks any backup CC at all, So if your CC and backup go down you're SoL. That perk alone will get you farther.

Below lvl 350-450 it's safe to say she out performs Rhino due to Viral proc. Of course assuming the other group buffs are present since each buff will re-enforce the value of her 100% proc and her Spores damage will take purpotionally much more HP from enemies.