Talk:Ember/@comment-24.231.123.84-20191104064033/@comment-188.26.23.225-20191104201038

^ The Ember rework was definitely gimped on purpose either to later buff it or to prevent another Saryn-tier problem. Also stop defending this mediocre rework, duration based defensive moves are much better than toggled ones since those only cost energy once and don't prevent energy regen, Immolation sucks balls if you want to play Ember like the caster frame she was meant to because if you leave it on without venting it continuously sucks more and more energy for no further gain and it ramps up faster and faster the more you use it so it becomes a burden and all of this is for just double damage/armor strip (big deal).

Her armor strip sucks massive balls because it's highly dependent on the tileset, if it's open ended then it's pretty good, if it's cramped it sucks and it's almost useless.

Fireball is still useless because of split damage and garbage AOE (now even worse, from static 5m to scaling 2-2,4 affected by range) and now doesn't even have a good chance to proc heat.

Inferno has no reason to be a non 360 AOE, it does not deal more damage than other nukes (if anything it's worse), provides no CC because of low chance to proc heat and the fire rings have no status chance and they suck balls at spreading themselves.

Basically Ember transformed from a caster frame that relies on abilities to CC and DPS to stay alive/do her job, into another 90% damage reduction souless crap that has minimal utility and was probably only designed for crayon eaters who can't use their CC and the movement system to stay alive.

Right now Ember is just a low-mid lvl frame with garbage CC, garbage energy management (if you want to use Immolation for the damage lulz) and garbage armor strip (Line of Sight AOE shouldn't be a thing unless they are blinds, because blinds are broken turning even the crappiest melee weapon into a weapon to surpass Metal Gear all while making enemies useless for 15+ seconds, no other CC is this strong), and a high upkeep 90% damage reduction.

Maybe DE can bring her around, they did turn Khora from a meh CC frame to a god-tier DPS/CC/Utility frame.