Talk:Redeemer/@comment-67.176.133.210-20151219043820

So I know people are saying this got stealth nerfed/buffed/changed with u18. Since I was using this heavily before u18 came out (since to me it's actually kinda fun to blow stuff away with the shotgun blast, despite not being the best weapon), I thought I'd list some of the changes that I've noticed:

+The damage seems to be pretty solid on the shotgun blast. I'll do more testing, since this is the aspect that I'm the least sure of, but as someone else posted before, it seems to only take 1-2 shots to kill enemies and probably hasn't been nerfed here.

-While the shot itself was definitely impacted by Fury before (the charge before it fired took less time), that seems to no longer be the case. In fact, when I first ran this weapon again after the update, I thought for a moment that I had accidentally switched to an unmodded config due to not being used to the slow charge-up before firing.

-Before, you could aim the shot while winding up...and now you can't. Oddly enough, it zooms in as if you're aiming right when the shot fires, but not before. I'm not sure if this is some sort of bug, but it's definitely weird.

-Finally, previously you could use quick melee with this and, while swinging, switch to winding up the shotgun blast by holding down the attack. Trying this now results in performing a somewhat awkward block that may or may not actually block attacks (haven't tested it yet) and only holds for a couple of seconds. It's another really awkward thing that I'm assuming is a bug.

All in all, I'd say if you just swing with this like a normal melee weapon, then it's probably in the same spot (which means you should consider using a different, better melee weapon). However, if you're using it because you like having flexibility with melee, or you just like blasting stuff, well...it's definitely an overall nerf in that department. TLDR: Between losing synergy with attack speed mods for the shotgun effect (therefore delaying the shot itself) and the weird buggy changes, I'd say avoid this weapon for now if you don't have it already, because nearly all of the factors that make this weapon unique have been changed for the worse. Hopefully DE will at least address the aforementioned buggy aspects soon.