Talk:Excalibur/Umbra/@comment-65.128.189.9-20180814213839/@comment-45.7.87.46-20180822171121

Still seeing it as some sort of sidegrade rather than a totally direct upgrade, more related to some working mechanics of the frame, you can't for example bring Umbra to a nightmare mission and use your operator cause he'll attack you, also having him following you everywhere can't be good if you wanna use your operator for stealth, Besides Prime has better polarities than Umbra in their exalted blades (110 dmg/88% crit chance of Umbra mods vs 165dmg and 60% crit of Primed Pressure Point and True Steel - you'd have to forma those slots to achieve better builds). And if we're gonna say Void energy reload is way to situational, then you'd dismiss the Sentinent dmg/resistance boost as well.

I won't say Excal Prime can be stronger or more resistant than Umbra cause that'd be a blatant lie. What I meant is that Prime hasn't suddenly became fodder just due to Umbra. A founder might use Prime (as I said below) for an optimized RB build while using Umbra for an EB build. Of course you can forma Umbra to get the same build, but doing so'd be like self-nerfing the frame.