Talk:Ember/@comment-24.231.123.84-20191112230644/@comment-24.231.123.84-20191115212733

Hah, that's rather coincidental.

In a response to a complaint about how people praising this rework don't put thought or reason into it vs the people who dislike it put thought and explanation into why, Lythael assumes 100% of all ember players and rework complainers are copy-paste build users who get carried or sit around AFKing in missions.

Meanwhile the OP has over 5000 hours in warframe, most of it maining Ember since  early 2013 and was saying that original WoF hit 3 targets per explosion (changed to 1 when Nova was released left out of patch notes to strong-arm Nova as the new nuke queen for plat sales), and was a duration-based ability so Blind Rage was viable since you could still regen energy from e.siphon (or now zenurik) and would inflict guaranteed Fire Panic for CC due to Damage 1.0, giving ember Support, CC and DPS all in one while keeping her free to keep attacking. In otherwise original WoF was the most literal definition of "Fire Support" or "Supporting Fire" and essentially superior to Inferno's "small zone medium damage stop what you're doing to cast".

The beauty of WoF was while it didn't nuke everything, it was constantly chipping at enemies and CCing them, which was honestly great support for the entire squad. You'd be a fool to think people running Elite Onslaught and Sorties were getting afk-kills. The extra DPS/CC effect seperate from companion and warframe weapons was far more useful than just "Michael bay explosions that are only useful for star-chart". Also not to mention WoF was far more appropriate for Ember's entire theme of being a walking heat-wave causing spontaneous combustion.

Armor strip is pointless because any good squad going high level and expecting armor runs x4 corrosive projection. Or uses bleed procs to ignore armor entirely. Most snipers with hunters munitions will shred just about anything that isn't bleed-proc immune. Even without those, most melee weapons can now shred level +100 enemies with just a handful of decent mods thanks to melee-metagame.

Signed: That guy with over 5,000 hours with majority of it spent playing Ember and reviving the sheep who run around as rhino or saryn or mesa in sorties and somehow still get downed these days.