Talk:Vauban/@comment-24747574-20160509131300/@comment-76.92.245.220-20160512225851

Most CC frames have been replaced by Mirage... you just don't need much else. You want a point defense, you can bring frost, or you can CC the world and pick them all off.

If you want to bring these other, older frames, you're goign to want to work with synergies between multiple frames, so they are more worthwhile.

Mind you, I still love bringing my frost in with a CC build, or hopping on vauban and chucking out some grenades, but at the end of the day, those two frames are so far outdated, you can just skip 'em.

With the current self healing and energy passives, you don't really need trin either, so those heavy cast frames (e.g. frost stacking STR at the expense of efficiency) just become a nuisance to the party.

Play like you're going to solo and have no worries in the game.