Talk:Excalibur/Umbra/@comment-34616648-20180207131521/@comment-34616648-20180208093958

your statement :

There is nothing to propose. Consoles did not get Founder items because they were not Founders, that's it.

and why were they not founders? because they where not given an opportunity too or better yet since it's hard for you to understand they were not allowed to be a founder. you keep arguing they were not founders which i never stated was my points but keep glossing over the the fact they wasn't able to become founders there's a difference