Talk:Ash (Warframe)/@comment-68.113.195.134-20140505061937/@comment-108.217.61.208-20140505110501

So I kind of feel like Ash is a slightly beefier Loki with slightly higher utility and better energy cost for smaller fights, when just modding for invisibility. So you're mostly trading 10s more total duration, if fully modded for it, for a stagger.

The energy costs tip the scales in Ash's favor when it comes down to smaller encounters with lots of time in between. Basically, if 20 seconds is enough to deal with everything nearby, then Ash is better. The energy cost is better on Loki for longer engagements, though. If you need 60+ seconds to deal with enemies, then Loki has much better energy costs. Ex: You use Ash for most normal missions, while using Loki for Survivals and Defenses.