Talk:Void/@comment-101.98.34.86-20170421045336/@comment-2605:E000:90DE:9100:F920:E865:F5D9:18AD-20180217230425

Perhaps, read the source material for the assertions or underlying assumptions again, with an (uncommon) eye for both textuality and contextuality. When did the Zariman incident occur, and where? We can accept the legitimacy of the logged account (as well as other entries which have turned up in the codex accompanying Warframe information, I.e. Rhino & Mag Prime, Excalibur, and of course the primary source of lore concerning the Zariman incident, presented as a very stiffly descriptive narrative of what would be the official summary debriefing following the incident) to be canon to the lore, in fact it is fairly essential to do so. But in so doing, to assume that terms and the accepted factuality of them and the texts which are revealed, are equitable to terms which are more familiar from in-game experience, will only confuse the matters, out of an effort to simplify (in the interest of convenience, rather than comprehension or ultimately cohesion). Officer in charge of the investigation stated: The Zariman was a MILITARY SHIP. It wad lost making the fold from Saturn to the Outer Gates. Cause was a mechanical failure. The FAMILIES of those on board were notified (crew lost, dead, not missing, because) nothing ever returns from The Fold. Case closed. Then reopened only days later. Crew was gone. Otherwise the ship was completely intact, as though it had never left. Investigation revealed what seemed to be children hiding inside. Detection should have been cause for quarantine of the ship. The principal investigator violated quarantine procedure and attempted contact. The response was one of indescribable force which resulted in severe casualty to the principal. Despite having all information concerning the ship and it’s crew, the Principal asserted an assumption which had no grounds for evidence, which was that the apparent children were placed aboard the ship, without any log of such a thing having been done, and with no apparent reason. When put to the Senior Military officer conducting the debriefing, no response was warranted or required concerning reasons for having done so, yet it was plainly stated that children were not placed on board. To have done so would have been a violation of procedure.

In the Origin System at present, there is no direct link from Saturn to any other sectors except for Jupiter and Uranus. The operation of travel by way of making a “fold,” is something which is neither referenced in present nor lore researched descriptions of technology or space travel. No mention is made of a destination set for the Zariman which goes further than the planets or planetoids of the Origin System. The assumption that the Outer Gates is equatable with the Outer Terminus, has no rationale to it, and that Saturn was a departure point for travel beyond the system already presents as not only a wild stretch, but a completely unreasoned and senseless one. As inconvenient to the assumed continuity of lore and post-waking history (which only accounts for approximately the past five years or so), to attempt to change the text which is provided in order to go with what seems like the way things are and were, merely cheats that lore of all reliability to serve its purpose. The oldest research findings from the Orokin era reveal the Empire to be in decline, and in need of relocating the seat of power (the Plan, to extend governorship of the Empire to a Plutocracy) to The Tau System, share a commonality with the most recent findings (after the collapse, during Grineer expansion), which is the complete displacement of the word “family” and it’s connotations by the word “corpus.” No cross references exist between the body of otherwise existent lore and the Zariman account which share any terms or descriptions of military procedures, environments, rank and file, procedures, etc. Just because there is no known explanation for the apparent (and virtually complete) discontinuity between the world in which the Zariman debriefing was described as having been conducted, and all other existent Warframe lore, is a poor reason for literally dismissing every element of the (fictitious) factuality for the mere sake of convenience of matching what would present as seeming similar between that account and the larger body of existent lore.