Talk:Excalibur/Umbra/@comment-111.65.44.164-20171031082019/@comment-24.241.131.155-20171125120925

1) excalibur isn't particularly good (though radial blind is wonderful). lato and skana (even with Bright Purity) *definitely* aren't very good. the founder-exclusive things have been glorified mastery fodder for a looong time.

2) if Umbra frames aren't a full rework from the original frame, they'd probably at least have an Umbra-exclusive ability, similar to the Prime-exclusive ability of gaining energy from Death Orbs.

i could see them going the route of stat tradeoffs rather than boosted stats, like inherent +50% range for excal in exchange for aura polarity and base health. or inherent, unreplacable arcanes that add a new aspect to the character, like exalted blade losing its shots, gaining range, and becoming a greatsword when you're hit while using it