Talk:Ember/@comment-70.162.254.193-20191110085556/@comment-24.231.123.84-20191110104956

We didn't lose equinox, we still have our trash-tier-speedrun-clear frame :)

Armor strip? Corrosive Projection x4 would like a word with you. Shattering Impact would like a word with you. Corrosive Proc shotguns would like a word with you. Bleed Procs would like a word with you.

Even without corrosive projection, I could care less about the armor a 165 bombard has when my vectis prime is dealing nearly 100k per tick bleed procs on a hunters-munitions headshot. Even body-shot bleeds will still deal tens-of-thousands, more than enough to kill them in a few seconds. Mag's armor-strip is at least semi-good because of the huge range and lack of LoS requirement and synergy with her build.

Pure-damage abilities are a joke because they aren't going to compete with end-game tier weapons like Lenz, Opticor, most Primes and Melee 3.0 in general. They need CC ontop of Damage to be useful. There is zero reason to cast Fireball over simply shooting your target with any gun with decent mods. Accelerant was the one ability they should've kept from Ember 2.0 and they got rid of it making Ember 3.0 lose her one reliable crowd-stun. Inferno is a frontal wedge, not a radius, which makes no sense given Ember is a Nuke, meanwhile Saryn's Miasma is a radius that doesn't even require LoS.

The rework is awful. Her DR from immolation is completely uncontrollable since you need to stay near 90% but one fireblast cast or de-toggle and you get 1shot because of the starting-value being capped at 50% and its far too inefficient to waste energy to climb up to 80%+. Mesa and Gara don't have to deal with juggling their DR, Ember should not have to since she was the original DR-Skill-Tank back in the beginning of the game, back when Rhino's iron skin was just straight invincibility for up to 30+ seconds depending on mods.

Inferno needs to target in a radius around the frame, not just infront of the frame, because that defeats the purpose of a nuke, especially when Saryn/Equinox exist. Ember's passive energy is far too low, especially comparing Ember Prime vs Saryn Prime. And Ember's passive ability needs to drain slowly instead of instantly emptying when enemies die, because in no efficient squad will enemies be alive long enough to benefit from it.

There is literally no job Ember does that another frame doesn't do better. Saryn is a better nuke, Mesa is a better DPS, Mag is a better armor-strip, and Gara/Rhino/Chroma/Trinity/Mesa/Saryn are better tanks. And to make matters worse, since they removed all forms of useful CC from Ember's kit (no true Fire procs for fire panic CC) she has no purpose for support. A well-modded Mk1 Braton is stronger than Ember and does her job better.

Please stop being a blind sheep.