Talk:Ember/@comment-44873790-20200116191718

I don't understand why people say she's a bad frame or the rework was bad. I've been tinkering with her for the past several days and I'm actually surprised. I was expecting utter garbage because of bad rep but she's actually solid. Been breezing through Kuva Survivals and arbis with a 0 forma build and 1 mod slot open, I don't know what else people expect really...

She's not top tier because her kit has LOS and/or maximum targets limitations, whereas other frames don't, but she's by no means a bad frame. I will agree some other frames can do all she does, but better(Saryn comes to mind), but if she can do the high lvl content available without breaking sweat, what else can you want?

Some design choices of her rework are questionable(when compared to other frames), but that doesn't mean you can't get around them and make it work.

Try max efficiency inferno/fireblast spam, inferno augment, equilibrium, health conversion(with synth synergies from sentinel) and 2x arcane guardians plus whatever else you want. No zenuirik or energize needed, more than 1 minute energy uptime without killing anything, always at full heat and spammable  100% armor strip. Pair that with a viral+heat aoe status weapon and there you go.

People try garbage cookie cutter builds from youtube and go all pikachu surprised face when they lose their damage reduction then get 1 shot because they are using adaptation without armor.