Talk:Fragor/@comment-50.98.236.251-20130613023444/@comment-67.79.74.52-20130627095311

I felt alot of people are biased when recommending others to choose Hate over other weapons because they tend to play as either Ash, Loki, or Rhino. Heres the thing, charge attack is only effective for frames that can meet one of these 3 requirements: Can AOE stun, turn invinsible, or turn invulnurable (or close to). It is foolish to use a charge attack without fulfilling one of these requirements on high level enemies since they will shred your shield and health in matter of seconds the moment you land a hit even with Reflex Coil on. By the time you are fighting lvl 40s or above, you will be relying almost solely on your slide attacks when using melle if you lack one of those 3 requirements, thus I recommend getting Orthos.

I play as Excalibur, with his radial blind I can afford to perfrom any type of melee attacks wether it being charge, regular, or slide attack, but I would still pick Fragor over any other melee weapons mainly due to its innate armor ignoring capability, and huge AOE downward swing on normal and jump attack. When coupled with North Wind, Fragor becomes an incredibly versatile weapon that makes even normal attack viable for frames that fail to fulfill one of those 3 requirements I listed above earlier (though I still do not recommend you duking enemies all out with a normal attack without fulfilling at least one). This weapon just does everything well, sadly it does not stagger ancients so you must find a way to improvise.