Talk:Vauban/@comment-195.211.206.241-20160101104823/@comment-195.211.206.241-20160101194320

But using both means we'll have two frames with the same role, and on high levels (like of Hieracon with a team since it'll turn 80-100 very quickly) I personally didn't find it efficient. Because that means you're either don't have a place for trin (which is needed sometimes because of eximuses and toxin - at least for me) or nova. Honestly had a better run with mirage and banshee than with two vaubans there (without frost in both cases) - just not enough damage or bastilles were not enough to stop the infested due to it's duration/strenght. After that I realized that it seems few people really know how to use/mod him properly and that's why they mostly rely on vortex.

I tried different builds for him,basically the same ones minus healt/shield mods - the only thing I didn't try so far is repelling bastille, maybe (probably) that's why my experience is so different. Guess it needs even more testing.