Talk:Vauban (Warframe)/@comment-13899984-20130907063450/@comment-172.248.53.228-20130907092559

Haha this is the most common complaint I see when it comes to vauban's Bastille nerf.

The only real change I see is that vauban now has to rely on fellow teammates rather than carry them effortlessly to higher tier waves for infested defensive missions. Before the patch, a typical vauban would cast bastille, then pick off helpless mobs and grab energy to start the whole process again. This always creates a lack of stress and urgency from endgame content that is designed to be challenging. How are fellow players challenged when enemies are completely immolbilized and unable to fight back? A challenge isn't bad guys, it's fun!

The nerf is a good thing not because it makes vaubans skill based-frame, it forces the TEAM to be skill based. Like you said 'you're gonna have to figure out something besides hiding behind a Bastille'. Does that mean the team has to work as a cohesive unit as opposed to spamming the win button (Bastille) at regular intervals? I hope so! If you are planning on going endless on Xini you would want to bring your A-team anyways, and vauban still has a lot to offer. Saying he's useless is ignorant. =D  IGN: Itsdoodoobaby