Talk:Orvius/@comment-192.0.210.190-20161113135618/@comment-173.21.148.142-20161114191753

as an admin i would expect you had tried the weapon before critisizing paper stats with actual in game stats. i  have been playtestin weapons in this game since before the wiki was even live.. ijs... but yea it benefits greatly from stealth multipliers... as i run with a beserker on this weapon for a reason... i cant see it being a crap weapon in any way.... but i will not add insult to injury since people can be banned from commentin on here so i will let people figure out for themselves as to how retarded it is to get rid of such good weapons.... i mean if you are one of those people that think the azima and zenistar are just flat out bad weapons... then you should just either do one of 2 thing either pick up the weapon again and explore all options or just stop playing warframe /commenting on the wiki... dont give false hope to people that come here for some guidance... btw the pantera cant crit and its base damage is slach so no amount of buffing this weapon will make it god tier as a primary it will not benefit from stealth if it alarms... not saying that it is a bad weapon but all you would ever get is status.... rendering the weapon a with falloff damage...yea i did my homwork.

as a final note teshin isnt dumb when it comes downt to weapon usage, why do people think this weapon is utmost garbage due to paper stats? complaining about flight speed whirlwind fixes it wanna deal extra damag gas bypasses armor and shields... good for end game primed pressure point and beserker .. mainy because when you throw this weapon it will be for one use channel damage... it is a channel based weapon..like the VERY few weapons above 1.8 damage multipliers.. and can benefit from excals 8x multiplyier radial blind... hence why using it with him would give him the opportunity to do massive aoe.. also i have noticed that primed reach also healps with both aspects of range both thrown and explosive... as i am still playtesting it... btw i am a MR22, founder and 6k playtime... i think i know what i am talking about when i make a statement ... i know i can be long winded but wow i hate  being insulted by the lack of knowledge being stated in the wiki... i suggest pick the weapon up again and take it on hoard runs and test it for yourself before critisizing the weapon again....**drops mic**