Talk:Loki (Warframe)/@comment-67.160.84.202-20130422051651/@comment-86.2.95.91-20130513012953

In my experience, Shuriken is not that great; including the casting time I'll do higher/similar DPS just firing normally, and the targeting sometimes goes wonky. I only use it against normal targets if say an Ancient/Grineer Heavy Gunner has survived with 20% or so HP so I can kill it before I finish reloading.

The stun on Smoke Screen is pretty important and useful, and does make it better than Invisibility in a way. You most definitely can and will take damage when invisible, and Smoke Screen can save your hide when stunlocked by Infested. However, if you use Invisibility before running in to an enemy group, that extra duration for bonus damage makes all the difference. Overall I'd say they're about the same, just each is better in different situations.

Decoy is Loki's strongest ability, cheap and useful in almost any situation

Ash's ult is without doubt far better than Loki's, and I usually wouldn't even bother bringing Radial Disarm.

Switch Teleport + Decoy seems like a good combo but it's very hard to effectively target the decoy where you want to go, so Teleport is way more useful for me. Even then, I don't use it that often.

Having played both, I slightly prefer Ash for the great (psuedo-)AoE ult and the increased survivability. However, I haven't tried Loki with a potato and energy mods yet, and I suspect with that and my new Dual Zorens I'll have a lot of fun with Loki.