Talk:Scoliac/@comment-47.183.154.214-20171004045318/@comment-2003:77:AF16:F4DA:8999:C22B:88C8:3224-20171007231251

To the Lone Tenno above me trying to be "educational": Please actually read the pages you linked, because to be honest, your calculations are complete garbage. Here's what I calculated for the crit chances:

Atterax no Riven: (0.2 * (1 + 0.6) + 0.9) * (1 + 1.65 * 3) = 725.9%

Atterax max slide crit Riven: (0.2 * (1 + 0.6) + 1.51) * (1 + 1.65 * 3) = 1089%

Scoliac no Riven: (0.05 * (1 + 0.6) + 0.9) * (1 + 1.65 * 3) = 583.1%

Scoliac min slide crit Riven:  (0.05 * (1 + 0.6) + 1.69) * (1 + 1.65 * 3) = 1053.1%

Scoliac max slide crit Riven:  (0.05 * (1 + 0.6) + 2.49) * (1 + 1.65 * 3) = 1529.1%

So far so good. Now let's throw in the crit multiplier (with Organ Shatter as the only modifier besides Rivens). I'm using the following formula from the Critical Hit wiki page:

Crit Multiplier = Crit Level * (Crit Multiplier - 1) + 1

Atterax no Riven: 7 * (5.7 - 1) + 1 = 33.9 (with 25.9% chance for 38.6)

Atterax max slide crit Riven: 10 * (5.7 - 1) + 1 = 48 (with 89% chance for 52.7)

Atterax max slide crit max crit dmg Riven: 10 * (7.5 - 1) + 1 = 66 (with 89% chance for 72.5)

Scoliac no Riven: 5 * (2.8 - 1) + 1 = 10 (with 83.1% chance for 11.8)

Scoliac max slide crit Riven: 15 * (2.8 - 1) + 1 = 28 (with 29.1% chance for 29.8)

Scoliac max slide crit max crit dmg Riven: 15 * (5.2 - 1) + 1 = 64 (with 29.1% chance for 68.2)

But this still isn't considering Status. If you played with either of these weapons against fairly high level armored enemies, you quickly realise that the raw damage alone of your attacks doesn't even tickle those guys. What is really strong about these weapons is their ability to proc Slash and thus bypass armor. With Drifting Contact, Weeping Wounds and a combo multiplier of 3, we get these status chances:

Atterax: 0.2 * 1.4 * (1 + 0.45 * 3) = 65.8%

Scoliac: 0.15 * 1.4 * (1 + 0.45 * 3) = 49.3%

Now keep in mind that your chance to proc a certain damage type is also depending on how much of your total damage this damage type is. The Atterax has 90% of its damage in Slash, the Scoliac only 70%, meaning you'll waste status procs on puncture or impact more often with the Scoliac. If you're also running Relentless Combination, the Atterax will reach higher combo multipliers faster than the Scoliac, because it inflicts more Slash procs. So let's say the Atterax has already reached a combo multiplier of 3.5, while the Scoliac is still at 3. These are the new stats with max slide crit and crit dmg Riven:

(0.2 * (1 + 0.6) + 1.51) * (1 + 1.65 * 3.5) = 1240%

12 * (7.5 - 1) + 1 = 79 (with 40% chance for 85.5)

0.2 * 1.4 * (1 + 0.45 * 3.5) = 72.1%

If you're curious about the Scoliac at 3.5 combo multiplier:

(0.05 * (1 + 0.6) + 2.49) * (1 + 1.65 * 3.5) = 1741%

17 * (5.2 - 1) + 1 = 72.4 (with 41% chance for 76.6)

0.15 * 1.4 * (1 + 0.45 * 3.5) = 54.07%

So as you can see, not only can the Atterax reach higher combo multipliers faster, the difference in crit damage and status chance only gets bigger.

In conclusion: its higher crit multiplier, status chance and percentage of Slash damage of total damage makes the Atterax superior in terms of killing power. Obviously this doesn't take the Scoliac's attack speed and range into account. I would say the Atterax is the superior killer, the Scoliac wins in quality of life. I personally will stick to the Atterax, due to Scoliac Rivens being very expensive atm and because I just love the entire design of the Atterax.