Talk:Ember/@comment-2600:8804:6400:2B9:48EC:8409:A412:B821-20190129054714

I don't understand why people are so harsh to poor Ember. Her passive's pretty useless and World on Fire is a wasted ability slot for the most part, but overall I've had pretty good success with her on the damage front.

Like, everyone keeps using the fact that she does heat damage as a main sticking point, but why is heat damage bad? Literally the only thing that resists it is proto-shield, and while it does have a hefty -50% damage, it's ALSO a shield, meaning it doesn't get the benefits of armor and is thus pretty easy to just plow through with raw damage, which Ember is really good at.

Apply Accelerant to an enemy and it takes +250% more heat damage. Use the Flash Accelerant augment and gain a buff that also makes you do +50% heat damage. now a single charged fireball (roughly) does (400*1.5)*2*(1+2.5) damage to that enemy, or a whopping 4,200 damage. Then you also get a heat proc that will add on some extra damage to that, AND Fireball leaves a little napalm blob that can do EVEN MORE DAMAGE. Plus you get a small sprinkling of CC from the heat proc panic on top of that. And this is without any mods other than Flash Accelerant. You get even MORE damage by building appropriately.

Not to mention that the above amps apply to her weapons too. Take a Corrosive + Heat Ignis. Cast Accelerant. Melt everything. Toss down a Fire Blast to shoot through for another +50% damage buff.

Plus 100% chance for heat procs means 100% chance for the mini-stun from heat proc's panic, blah blah blah blah. The point is, I think Ember's FAR more useful than people like to let on. At least, I've had good results with her, even when running the high-end endless missions for extended periods. Most of the problems she has aren't actually Ember specific, Such as being one-shot by high level Bombards. That happens to any frame that doesnt have a silly strong mitigation mechanic. Which is most of them.Just because she's not super overpowered in all situations doesn't mean she's terrible. If all people REALLY cared about was being as strong as possible, everyone would just be running Chromatic Blade excaliburs all day.