Talk:Ash/Abilities/@comment-96.248.37.127-20180708173056/@comment-68.224.59.82-20190222031356

At a certain point, gun damage and even melee damage will fall off and simply not be enough. Assuming ash takes a weapon with covert lethality, his 4 will always outscale Mesa's kit. Combined with his reliable invisibility and 100% armor strip with Seeking Shuriken, he's a top tier dps frame in long missions, i.e. 1+ hour survivals, 60+ wave defenses, etc.