Talk:Vauban (Warframe)/@comment-78.141.114.96-20130528194006/@comment-118.209.44.141-20130529042602

well, for one there is debate if excalibur prime is better than its counterpart with it's V polarity slot...

also this frame is fragile, very fragile actually - low shields AND low armor (though decent HP). all of his abilities are grenades with short-med range effects when they activate; unlike other frames he has no 'kill everything' button or abilities that target one enemy specifically.

quote "The highly tactical VAUBAN uses his powers to create deadly traps". so your only complaint can be that traps are OP. and in using this frame today i can agree... only when used gratuitously. but that is far from energy efficient...

tesla - on defense you need a lot of these, which is 19-25 energy use per each. adding up the energy usage for an effective amount of these, you will use much more than other frames' ult to the same effect (damage wise). in regular missions, single-use is only OP vs corpus, but then theyre far weaker against anything else... like amphis wouldnt you say?

bounce - haven't used enough to say for sure but i fail to see how this one is OP.

bastille - pure CC ability, no damage. ospreys and rollers will still go about their business so only totally effective vs infected. don't see how this is OP.

vortex - cannot extend range, doesn't last long enough to be OP, and hey, it is an ult ability after all so it is expected to mow down anything it touches.

i will concede this frame is OP if this is used in PvP (currently not) or if someone with zero understanding of this frame can go into pluto missions and not die by spamming abilities at random (OP = win no matter what you do, not the case, deal with it).