Talk:Caustacyst/@comment-108.35.8.17-20161116060726/@comment-108.56.158.238-20161116191511

You actively assumed I had problems with my teammates is what you did. I have no problems with teammates which is why I play public in the first place. If I cared what they used I would be recruiting people who didn't use x weapon or frame or better yet I'd just solo.

You say the charge attack is a defining characteristic that sets it apart from others.

What advantages does it have over other charge attack weapons (Orvius, Gliave/Prime, Cerata, Kestrel, Zenistar, Sarpa, Redeemer.)?

It leaves a trail of goo that stuns enemies for a short amount of time and leaves them open to finishers while they're affected by the stun animation. It's purely corrosive and can reach 100% status chance. Seemingly infinite punch through. Has a 300% damage multiplier on charge attacks according to https://forums.warframe.com/topic/710966-the-index-preview-hotfix-4/

What disadvantages does it have over other charge attack weapons?

Slow travel time. Low crit  chance (5% shared with zenistar, glaive, kestrel, sarpa, redeemer) chance compared to the Orvius and Cerata. AoE of the projectile is narrow. Now I'm not entirely sure what the charge time of the caustacyst is even after testing it but it seems slower than the charge attack of gunblades and throwing weapons. Damage falloff over distance (shared with gunblades). despite being able to reach 100% status chance the projectile is unaffected by weapon status chance. Despite having a 300% charge attack multiplier it manages to do less damage than the charge attack of glaive/prime, cerata, kestrel, sarpa, redeemer, zenistar (For consistency's sake the mods I used on each weapon were Primed Fury, Primed Pressure point, Voltaic Strike, Virulent Scourge, Volcanic Edge and the enemies were blinded).

Now I even compared it with other infested type status weapons (Lesion, Mios, Dual Ichors) to see how fast it killed a lvl 135 corrupted bombard with the following mods for consistency Voltaic Strike, Virulent Scourge, Primed Fury, Primed Pressure Point, Volcanic Edge, Weeping wounds, Life Strike and Drifting Contact.

Mios took: 14-16s

Lesion: 19-20s

Dual Ichors: 21-23s

Caustacyst: 29-31s

The caustacyst is the slowest at killing the corrupted bombard. Do you want to know why? It's because if you take away the charge attack gimmick of the caustacyst the only thing it has going for it is a high status chance and innate corrosive damage.

>B-b-but muh stealth multiplier and finisher.

Bring an Inaros, Ivara, Loki, Equinox or heck use naramon. You can also get the stealth multiplier by knocking down an enemy and setting them on fire before they get up. Which is why I used volcanic edge. All of which can be achieved in the amount of time it takes someone to finish charging the caustacyst and having the projectile hit something.

What makes something objectively good? How well it performs compared to other similar weapons under similar conditions.

Now if you're strictly comparing it to scythes then it's "objectively the best scythe".