Talk:Ember/@comment-24.231.123.93-20161117114019/@comment-220.240.6.191-20161128163255

If you've ever been to the simularis room, you'd know that ember is useless above lvl 40 and not make up stuff like "sorties 3".

Corpus isnt weak to fire, robotics are fire proc immune, nullifiers. Grineer armour almost completly nullifies fire damage and everything else besides corrosive. Ancients are fire resistant, the trash mobs die to even a modded fury so might as well just shoot with explsives/ignis/amprex/etc.

I have used ember exclusivily since U9 and sold my 12 forma ember for her prime when it came out. All of embers augs are useless because with a real build, you don't need her 4th aug or any of the other 3 useless augs which don't even offer any sort of benefit, but even then it dosn't matter how she's built because it won't change the fact that her low damage numbers and the fact fire isn't a good damage type makes it so even though I've gone to forma town and try to use her in different ways, the furthest you can go is lvl50-55 before your abilities might as well be non-existant, aside from accelerant if you have fire on your weapon.

Would this be concidered "fair"? Nova pretty much makes enemies get 1 shot and chain explode while having a strong defensive ability. Nyx is cc master and has a "terminator" aug for her 4th. Trinity is unkillable, so is Nekros. Mag "was" op until her nerf putting her on Ember tier, Banshee is shoved into lvl100+ tier making her the least effective frame below that level.

Not only that WoF took a nerf from 8 targets to 5. So you're limited and screwed if the ability targets an enemy which isnt going to die after 20 seconds and you won't know that 3 of your 5 "bursts" are not attacking anything. Which dosn't help because eventually they'll always target an enemy it wont kill and you can potentially go from WoF to dealing 0 damage to anyone. If your answer is use the 4th aug, it's well know that all her augs are bandaids. She's not a cc frame she's a damage caster yet she's the only caster (besides mag now) who can't fight anything but low level stuff.

That said i still use her and will continue to do so, but I will never say she's good by any stretch of the imagination. All her augs need to be deleted and give her new ones, change 1st ability so it leaves a burning enviroment like frosts frozen ground or volts mass cc. Fire blast should be mobile and occasionaly spit out projectiles, because it does almost nothing currently and her 4th needs a real aug that affects the enviroment because the bandaid one is useless unless you don't know how to mod her for 72% status while still having 75% efficiency. Replacing 1 mod for 28% more status chance (even more if you remove a strength mod) is pointless on a caster.