Talk:Saryn (Warframe)/@comment-173.88.235.248-20131209183620/@comment-109.184.94.116-20131212130752

^ Valkyr is good, Saryn is good.. in another reality. OMG, guy, what did you smoke? If your guns do much more work than frame's abilities (I'm not talking only about damage but also about cc and utility, buffs, enemy debuffs), it means that frame is broken. If frame needs to be hardly modded just to be viable, that frame is broken as well.

Tank, my ass. Rhino is true tank and your Saryn is just faceless gunner. Every frame can run around enemies and shoot with guns. It doesn't make them tanks. Abilities make frames unique. Abilities define their role. If abilities barely help you (and your team) and you even get rid off them for more useful mods and use weapons all the time, it means these skills have issues and should be reworked by devs.

All frames can be divided into 2 groups. Some frames (like Rhino, Vauban, Trinity, Nyx, Loki) are balanced enough and good for things they do (even if they have some issues with 1-2 skills against high-level enemies). But another frames (like Saryn, Banshee, Ember, Valkyr) are weak and broken. Their skills almost aren't doable against high-level content. I wanna see all frames in the first group. And I don't wanna see them OP. There is only one OP frame: Nova with her MPrime. And it should be fixed.

But you can continue to live in your own world and think everything is ok.