Talk:Excalibur/@comment-178.204.81.254-20160419123018/@comment-28282609-20160423165522

So one thing loki is not versatile you use it for 2 purpose : infiltration (with max duration and invisibility) or spam disarm

But Excal is not versatile at all, because many people use it for exclusively his 4.

And lone tenno above, know what versatile is, the versatile frame must have the possibility to deal damage, help friends and control, a versatile frame is a fram which can take many role in a game. And i'm bad to say that but the much versatile frame is Oberon, but even if he is versatile he is bad, because he is not a powerful casting frame (her offensive are good but not has good as full offensive frame), he is not has good a full support or healer frame (like trinity) and he is not has good as controller frame (like rhino, frost or other hard CC frame).

So stop troll, loki is good but you d'ont havee to post that here, excalibur is not bad (just a bit funless imo), and has other frame they are all good, given that the player is the most thing which differency a good and a bad frame.