Talk:Ember (Warframe)/@comment-24.231.123.122-20140607202538/@comment-24.231.123.122-20140618052129

Another point to note is ember needs rediculous modding just to be 'useable' at medium levels. You can go in with a un-supercharged nova or rhino and do 2000x better.

Fireball and Accelerant ARE her only good skills. Fireblast is complete shit, even for the minor "defense" utility which enemies get over after 5 seconds (and the dmg is horrible). WoF is a waste of energy due to the random hits and only hitting one (the first replier saying you can hit multiple with WoF blasts clearly doesn't play as Ember like the OP). Enemies can be right ontop of each other in a vauban bastille/vortex but you'll only ever hit 1 at a time, and the "blast" status that WoF DID HAVE after her prime released, is no longer there, now it just sets enemies on fire.

OP has the only good method. Spamming fireball on an accelerant-coated mob. Until they revamp or replace WoF and Fireblast, and give ember some better stats (she needs higher shields and speed, maybe 125 to make her more mage-ish), she'll continue to be the worst frame ever. Hell, I can use a nyx and nuke enemies better than any ember ever could.

The amount of work and BS it takes for ember to actually deal damage considering she's a "damage" based frame. Sure you can theoretically deal insane damage with WoF (916 base + 572.5% = 6160.1 x duration) if you max her power strength, but since fire de-scales more than any other element, that 60k base dmg drops to maybe 10k total. And that's spread over multiple targets + costs tons of energy. not good for CC, because if you want it to last long you're nerfing the range to hell, or losing out on the damage by extending it.

Anyone who uses "Oh you can run through low levels easy" defense can just quit now. ANY frame can do that. Hell, you can rush through a low-level without killing anything if you're quick enough to avoid lockdowns/being seen. Every frame has very useful support or raw-dmg skills for endgame. Banshee has huge range constant stagger which excuses the low dmg, nyx has chaos, rhino is OP with his I-Skin and Stomp, Nova just presses 4 or 2 for map-wipes, Ash has the strongest raw-dmg crowd skill period, trinity has that bullshit Link skill, you get the idea.