Talk:Frost/@comment-198.53.222.181-20180603025759/@comment-2001:569:7CA3:A700:2DC0:8556:F11C:2331-20180829070457

ohhboy. This was a long time ago so I'm going to necro a bit.

First of all, to address this:

>Frost really needs a rework. He is one of the most overrated warframes, but he's also rarely being used, which should tell you lots about his current state...

DE released a Google doc concerning Warframe Usage. It can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mze7wzLcGgVMw5ymJExR-XLKE69j5Zl5WVDfu4UKsEI/edit#gid=720359178

Frost and Frost Prime have very high average usage values. Concerning in particular, Frost Prime's average usage value being at 2.23, mostly being beaten out by starter Warframes, Saryn Prime as an ESO DPS meta, Trinity Prime who is a top tier support Warframe and also was given out for free, and Excalibur Umbra, who is given out for free. So your statement that Frost is being rarely used is false as shown by the data that DE gave out here.

>There are so many CC frames out there that largely make his only useful ability: Snow Globe, quite redundant. Volt can straight up do infinite health 360 degree shields that lasts well over a minute for example, while Frost would have to recast Snow Globe a few times a minute due to it running out of health.

The issue that you didn't address with this is that Volt's shields require you to have high efficiency in order to place many shields, you must manually account for holes between the shields which explosions will go through and if you want a protected area larger than 4 shields, you will have to spend a lot more time putting shields down rather than just pushing one button. Volt's shield is a valid replacement for a single small point being defended, like protecting a still player who perhaps is playing a DPS Warframe like Mesa. For defending larger points, Volt will not have the capability to protect an area like that. Additionally, Snow Globe slows enemies that enter it or with the augment, will even freeze them, providing you ample opportunity to get rid of them. Enemies will simply waltz through Volt's shields.

Or take another defensive ability like Gara's Mass Vitrify, where enemies can literally stick their guns through it and shoot through the wall, an Ancient can grab you through the wall or hell even a Seeker can deposit a Latcher through the wall, while also boasting weak health values that can only be boosted by a silly gimmick where you need to let enemies close to your defence objective which, depending on what you're defending may heavily damage or destroy it, I'd say that Snow Globe is much better than that.

There are many other abilities that may play a similar role to what Snow Globe can do, but I don't think a single one can make it redundant.

>Why the hell you can't shoot through the Snow Globes while being on the outside is totally beyond me.

It's a fundemental weakness baked into Snow Globe itself. If you couldn't shoot through it, it wouldn't be balanced. This flaw you see is a necessary flaw to make Snow Globe not the ultimate "i can shoot you but you can't shoot me" ability, similar to how you can't shoot into or out of Cataclysm - it would not make sense to, lest you create an overpowered defence Warframe.

>You also can't even apply ANY kind of status effects to enemies that are being frozen by Freeze or Avalanche (Corrosive Procs, Viral, Bleed, and Condition Overload weapons simply won't work on them), making them extraordinarily hard to kill while they are frozen, especially with a long range, long duration build and that has negative power strength.

Are you sure about that? I'm fairly certain you can.

>The trolling capabilties of these 2 points combined is almost as bad as a trolling Limbo to be honest...

It's true that a player who places Snow Globes everywhere may frustrate their team mates, which is why rather than complaining about the Warframe allowing players to do things like this, that you educate uneducated players that their 1 ability will destroy unwanted Globes, and report trolls who do not respond positively to your request. This ability isn't as bad as say, a large range long duration Limbo may be in terms of trolling, especially with the limited amount of globes you can place. Removing a person's ability to do something does not change the ability for the person to find another method of doing it, this simple fact is apparently missed by many people for many situations that may not necessarily pertain to Frost or Warframe.

>You can't even abuse this frozen "mechanic" for example by freezing a strong bleed proc on them leaving them until they die of it, because enemies will break out of Frost's Freeze after 50% of their current health is lost...

Addressed

>If Frost doesn't get reworked, at least make other players be able to shoot through Frost's Snow Globe from the outside, and also make other players able to apply status effects on enemies that are frozen.

Addressed, once again. However, despite my stance on defending the balance that not being able to shoot through Snow Globe, I'd certainly not be against a change like that since it would heavily impact him positively.