Talk:Ivara/Main/@comment-122.111.12.219-20151228195123/@comment-27197089-20160113181245

Some of those frame descriptions are off.

Ember: Queen of crowd control, long as they aren't more than 35m away. Sorry this title belongs to Loki or Nyx.

Excalibur: melee, he uses a melee weapon... but he's no longer melee.

and so much use of the word "Tank" when Valkyr is the only one who could fill that role If it exsists.

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Only nubs call Rhino a nub frame. Rhino is a #1 pick for a high level dream team, he always has been. Nubs just build him like a nub. 100% multiplicative group damage makes him one of the most highly valued frames in the game.

Mprime > Sonar > Roar > everything else.

Rhino, Banshee, Nova and Nyx/Loki = Best group possible.