Talk:Oberon/@comment-3964597-20160426064828/@comment-3964597-20160430233501

It was true that Xini farm was the big thing back then, and Loki always has (and always will) suck at Infested, he literally was a useless frame. Stealth didn't add anything outside of soloing starchart, Decoy was as fragile as ever, Switch Teleport was (and still is) a niche ability used more for trolling than anything else, but the big thing was Radial Disarm.

Back in late closed/early open beta, 4 spam was the way to go. Saryn, Mag, and/or Gorgon Nova were brought to a ton of groups due to being able to annihilate entire groups with one button. Ash was very subpar at it but you would occasionally see him too. What did loki bring to a group? Absolutely NOTHING. CC had no value when enemies got blown up super fast, and before they fixed it, their melee would actually deal more damage than their regular attacks so it was a detriment to ult. Trust me, I know early Loki, he was my starter frame and people would flat out leave Kappa/Xini groups I would join just to avoid having dead weight. And when it came to what little endgame there was (high end defense/survival), it was mostly at least one of three support frames (Frost/Trinity/Nekros) and a Nova. Loki just didn't have a place even then.

Melee 2.0 (before Second Dream gave every melee perma invis), increased value of CC, expanded mod variety, and Irradiating Disarm made him shoot up to the top.