Talk:Ember/@comment-24820404-20180222234418/@comment-79.113.21.51-20180225063415

^ WoF still procs heat plenty of times if you use power strength.

People really need to stop using the "was only good for lvl 30" enemies don't suddenly have 90k armor after level 30, even before you could easily do sortie level enemies with her deal pretty impressive damage.

Ember never really suffered from low CC even in higher levels because Accelerant was an istant Stun, Fire Blast, knocked enemies down and proc'ed heat and WoF also proc'ed heat. Now she has all of those but now Fireball is also a CC ability because that Napalm fire thing procs heat 100% of the time (not to mention fireball now has 3 instances of damage: direct hit/aoe hit, napalm dmg, napalm proc).

Yes, Ember now needs to spam more (not that much, just recast  WoF every 5 seconds if you really need the AOE) but her abilities are energy efficient and this is coming from a dude who mained Ember (and used her in the old void where we'd go for like an hour in T4) before she got her first major buff (the one that made WoF channeled) and guess what, I was outdamaging and out CCing my team and didn't have energy problems (this was without Trinity and Without Zenurik). Basically you just have to 'git gud'.

Is there room for improvement? Sure but it's difficult for DE to improve Ember because her general theme is damage over time, giving her more damage is complicated because of Accelerant, nobody can properly predict how any change to damage will end up because of Accelerant's damage boost and removing it might make it worse.

Even so, Ember is more than capable to finish high level missions with just ability spamming (if you build and use her right), just because she struggles a bit in high level doesn't make her bad since all frames that aren't just busted (invis/uber dmg/uber dmg reduction) struggle in higher levels, it's how higher levels are meant to be tackled, you're not suppossed to just run around and have everything die/cc'ed, you have to combine the movement speed, with gunning and proper ability usage and to constantly be on the move.