Talk:Excalibur/@comment-68.152.8.120-20171114170753/@comment-68.152.8.120-20171121133725

OP here:

Rivens are randomized, and so the Gorgon would be crap until you luckily get one that will make it viable. Excal's augment is always there and always functions the same. Saying a frame isn't powerful without their augment mod is kind of silly...the mods are made specifically for that frame, why forego it? Why not say a frame is weak if it can't do high-level work without arcanes and Focus skills?

I don't pay too much mind to all of the optimized builds for frames but most that I can think of seem to require augment mods. If so, then there are a lot of weak frames if judged using that definition.